Fiberboard insulating sheathing repair suggestions:
This article offers advice on procedures for reparing loose, warped, gouged or stained fiberboard ceiling and wall panels or tiles. We borrow from conservationists and we include some DIY homeowner procedure suggestions for non-historic buildings.
This article series describes and provides photographs that aid in identifying various insulating board sheathing materials used on building walls and roofs, such as Homasote, Celotex, Insulite, and Masonite, Upsonboard, Nu-Wood and other insulating board sheathing products.
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Loose fiberboard can be re-attached using 4d finishing nails, though if your experience is like mine you'll need to drive longer nails, perhaps 6d on a 45 degree angle through the fiberboard into the stud or ceiling joist for the nail to hold the material in place.
Wilson and Snodgrass suggest that it may be possible to repair de-laminated soft fiberboard by injecting wheat paste between de-laminated layers, using a mixture of 1 tablespoon of wheat starch to 5 tablespoons of distilled water, microwaved 20-30 seconds until the mixture is stiff and translucent.
To make such a repair you may need to remove the panel or to form a press that can be applied to the damaged wall or ceiling surface.
Those authors describe removing a warped panel for repair so that it can be wet slightly, placed flat, and pressed while drying. I do not recommend this repair except for structures and panels of historic value, as in my experience, unless you're an experienced conservationist, trying to remove a 70 year old fiberboard panel from a wall or ceiling leads to ever worse damage to the panel.
Really? For other than historic preservation purposes, in my view it makes more sense to remove and replace damaged fiberboard panels with new ones of the same or similar texture and color. You won't find beveled Nu-Wood panels in new stock as the product has been out of production since about the 1970's or earlier.
If there is extensive damage throughout a non-historic structure, remove the panels entirely and replace them with drywall. That step brings your building closer to modern fire-code requirements, and it provides an opportunity to upgrade exposed wiring, plumbing, insulation and and to inspect the structure for hidden rot or insect damage.
You could instead leave the panels in place and cover them over with drywall: a step involving less mess. But you may find that the window and door trim and receptacles and switches in the room all need to be built-out, making this option expose its own achilles-heel.
Watch out: if you are working on a historic building you should not remove nor modify its materials before consulting with your local historic preservation authority.
BJ's photograph of Nu-Wood like fiberboard wall paneling above provides more information about the identification of these panels. - B.J. by private email 2017/07/29
The gouge contributed by the movers exposes the characteristic brown soft wood fibers that we'd expect in a fiberboard panel.
The vertical V-groove in thephotograph above is a bit narrower than the panel butt-joint v-groove photo that we provide below. So measuring between the actual butt joints will give the true panel width, probably 48".
Repairs to a deep ding or gouge in fiberboard panels can take either approach.
For deep gouges or wide areas of damaged fiberboard you probably need to use one of the putty-type products listed here and you may need more than one pass, after keeping the initial fill-patchbelow the final surface, to bring the repair out flush with the original surface.
To patch small holes and gouges in fiberboard such as Homasote or NuWood we have successfully used the patching compounds listed below.
For large holes or badly warped panels it's best to cut out or remove and replace the damaged area or the entire panel.
Watch out: these repairs work very well on fiberboard wall and ceiling surface repairs indoors but outdoors I have not found such surface patching durable over the longer term.
Other patching products that may work acceptably on fiberboard walls and ceilings:
If the original fiberboard panel surface was textured such as shown in some of the Nu-Wood illustrations and also the classic textured Homasote and other interior-use fiberboard wallboard panels, your patch will look too-smooth unless you texture the surface.
We want to avoid creating a too-smooth island of patch in the middle of a rough-textured panel.
Options for matching the original surface texture include the following:
Above you can see my imperfect but satisfactory attempt to copy the rough texture of T111 plywood siding into what would otherwise have been smooth filler/sealant used at the corner of this building.
I used a small 6-inch drywall knife, dragging it almost at right angles to the surface, holding the blade lightly. As the blade bobbled over the rough T-111 surface the parallel lines in the existing surface copied into the surface of the sealant to make that filler less obvious.
Expertise, plenty of time and labor, and trouble mean this is probably not appropriate for a non-historic building.
Once the panel surface has been repaired you'll need to re-paint the panel, wall, or ceiling if you don't want to look at an obvious, white patch job that doesn't match its surroundings.
See FIBERBOARD PANEL PAINTING below.
Watch out: Because a few fiberboard products such as some Nu-wood (Conwed) ceiling tiles contained asbestos, see a discussion of possible asbestos at plants producing these cellulose-based ceiling tiles produced
Watch out: about fire safety.
I like these old fiberboard walls, but I am compelled to add the caution that for improved fire-resistance to meet modern codes you may ultimately decide to laminate a layer of drywall over them - something to discuss with your local building inspector.
While treatments were done to some products to improve fire resistance their fire rating, particularly after many decades of service and possible deterioration, might be in question.
Re-painting existing, already-painted fiberboard panel or tile ceilings or walls requires using an interior paint that is compatible with the paint that's already on the surface.
If the existing fiberboard surface is stained from previous leaks, and assuming you were smart enough to fix the leaks before trying to paint, you may need to seal the stained area with a lacquer primer-sealer to prevent the stain from bleeding-through the new paint job.
This is particularly necessary on fiberboard panel paint jobs since solvents in some paints (as well as some water leaks) can dissolve tannins and other components in the panel to form a brown or black stain that may simply bleed through a new coating of a water-based latex or acrylic paint.
Watch out: using an incompatible paint on an already-painted surface can cause the new or old or both layers of paint to fail by peeling, bubbling, or falling right off of the surface. Details are
at INCOMPATIBLE PAINTS [separate web article at InspectApedia].
Painting previously-un-painted fiberboard panels, comes up when a fiberboard-covered interior room is being converted from storage to living space or "modernized" or when you're sick of looking at stained Beaverboard.
If you must paint previously un-coated fiberboard, the job may not be as easy as you think: a bleed-through problem may infect your paint job unless you first coat the fiberboard with a lacquer primer/sealer, just as I discussed above.
Above: a painted-over Nu-Wood ceiling discussed below in a Q&A
about NUWOOD ASBESTOS CONTENT
Watch out: as we warn throughout these articles, don't start slapping paint onto un-painted surfaces of a historic building before you've consulted your conservation authority.
Note: presently in the U.S. a separate company, Nu-Wood Synthetical Architectural Millwork, Syracuse, NY, produces polyurethane-based faux stone and brick panels and columns used indoors and outdoors. These products are not those described in the article above.
Watch out: if you're worried about asbestos in fiberboard panels or sheathing products,
see SHEATHING, FIBERBOARD ASBESTOS CONTENT
Photo: Homasote 440 Sound Board insulating board, a cellulose / paper product cited below.
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On 2021-10-20 by (mod)
@Jocelyn Berman,
That sounds reasonable.
On 2021-10-20 by Jocelyn Berman
Thanks for the response. The sill plate is only damaged in a few areas; 3' section length by one wall, and 8' section at a corner (4' on each side) near the a/c compressor. As a precaution, I am going to remove the 1st two bottom courses of cedar shakes and remove the fiberboard insulation to check the entire sill perimeter, just to make sure there are no other needed sill repairs, a week before we are ready to install the new siding. I already dug down 6" from the sillplate exposing the slab and using salvaged 2" thick paving stones and gravel from the old patio, around the house perimeter, leaving 4" of exposed slab, so there will no longer be soil build-up. Thanks again for the advice.
On 2021-10-13 by (mod)
@Jocelyn Berman,
I wish we could be more helpful and apologize, but most of your questions can't be answered usefully just based on a text note. For example "what kind of board is on the exterior?"
But in general, for the problems you describe, the best solution is to remove siding and rotted framing, supporting the building wall as necessary, then build up a masonry foundation to a foot above grade or more; then repair the framing, bringing it down to a pressure-treated sill plate atop the new foundation.
As you plan to re-side the whole building with vinyl it does not , in my OPINON, make economic sense to try to match the original fiberboard sheathing and cedar shingles or shakes; any temporary weatherproof enclosure would suffice.
On 2021-10-13 by Jocelyn Berman
I just bought a Hi-Ranch built in 1974 on a slab with cedar shakes and 1/2" rigid board under the shakes. The board is dark grayish/brownish and appears fine pieces or like sawdust, where has disintergrated and broken off into small pieces around 6-10" as my handyman broke off 6' length and 16" high, from the sill plate up about two shake courses due to soil build up over slab and moisture/seepage into the board and sill plate. No paper between the shakes and board, so moisture discoloring the board is evident where shakes are missing from walls and seepage from soil build up over slab. When re-grading the soil to remove soil over slab, we could see the moisture/seepage from the soil had rotted out some of the board and damaged the cedar shakes touching the soil. We started to remove 2 courses of shakes in the section we found sill rot, and removed the damaged board as well, and now need to decide; 1. what product to use to replace the board and seal the joint to the remainging board, so we can replace the cedar shakes temporarily. The inside of the house has paper covered batt insulation in the walls between the studs, between the attic joists, and foil batts in exterior wall in the bathroom. We plan to re-side the entire house, in vinyl siding. If it's too late to do in November, we will do it in the spring. My next questions are 2. besides what type of board is on the exterior, 3. is the board acting as a structural element attached to the studs, and should I leave it all; just replaceing 16" from the sill up around the perimeter, replacing the disintergrated board due to the soil encroachment. 4. Lastly, if the board is not a structural element, should it all be removed when we remove the shakes and just install foil insulation board covered by vinyl siding. Thanks for any advice.
On 2021-09-02 by (mod)
Re-posting without improper link
so according to this it says fiberboard ceiling boards and panels contained asbestos
Moderator reply:
Rose that's a law firm looking for litigation business, not an authoritative information source on asbestos use in building products.
In general, fiberboard is a plant product: made from cane or bagasse or wood fibers - those are not asbestos.
There were some reports of cross-contamination of some fiberboard products made by companies at the same time and same location as where those same manufacturers produced or used asbestos in other products.
Use the on page search-box to find ASBESTOS in FIBERBOARD and you'll find
SHEATHING, FIBERBOARD ASBESTOS CONTENT https://inspectapedia.com/structure/Fiberboard-Sheathing-Asbestos.php
that actually cites supporting scholarly reserch
On 2021-08-23 by (mod)
@samie,
You posted this question and we replied at
https://inspectapedia.com/interiors/Fiberboard-Ceilings-Walls.php
On 2021-08-22 by samie
would asbestos be in a 1950s mobile home ceiling.the ceiling is not tiles,it is a panel or board material
On 2021-06-04 by (mod)
@Greg,
Using a ceiling tile like the one in your photo, provided the tile itself is new enough that you're not worried about fooling with asbestos material, is a clever move if you don't have scraps of fiberboard panel to repair the damage in your earlier photo.
Use a very sharp box knife ("drywall knife" like the fancy Stanley Box Cutter shown below) and a steel straight edge to cut out the damaged area;
Work carefully, don't get trash in your eyes and don't cut off a finger. Getting blood all over the ceiling is a mess (speaking from experience).
I make my existing-ceiling cuts on a 45 degree angle with the larger-dimension "up" towards the ceiling.
I trim my replacement piece of fiberboard (or ceiling tile) to be just about 1/8" smaller in length and width, and of course cut its bevel the opposite to that in the ceiling opening.
By angling the replacement square up into the ceiling and if necessary pulling it down with a couple of coarse-threaded sheet metal screws, I glue the replacement in place using a paintable acyrlic sealant.
When the repair is flush I leave it alone for the sealant to cure.
As your original ceiling was smooth, you may want to use some drywall compound to skim-coat the area of repair before re-painting the ceiling.
Let me know how this works for you.
Below: Stanley box cutter knife useful for cutting LDF and MDF fiberboard panels
On 2021-06-04 by Greg Cunningham
The ceiling is board and batten, and is fixed, I was just going to use the ceiling tile as additional material to fill in the hole (image attached).
With the hardware stores closed in Canada, it's hard to know what to get.
On 2021-06-04 by Greg Cunningham
Hey Daniel,
I have a cottage which has a hole in the ceiling caused by a water leak and stepping through by mistake from the attic. It seems like the fiberboard is cardboard, is there risk to using a water based filler as it would just be absorbed by cardboard and not bond?
I found another ceiling tile, and was going to cut a hole the same size as the (ceiling 6" hold saw"), put sticky tape in the attic to hold it in place, then caulk around and finally fill in. What do you think?
On 2020-09-13 by (mod)
Any building supplier,
But first take a look at the fiber board repair suggestions above on this page. Are you sure that won't work for you?
On 2020-09-12 by Diana Berne
Our home is just about to close escrow but we need to fix a huge concave hole in the fiberboard. Where do I find this material?
Thanks
On 2020-07-20 by Tony
In 1970 I was a carpenter apprentice and learning names of the tools we used
In the case of what we call a utility knife today was called a Cellotex knife
The explanation given by the old carpenters was that the knife was developed to cut Cellotex
50 years later I still call it a Cellotex knife
On 2019-02-02 by (mod)
Ned
Our best advice for patching a crack or ding in a Beaverboard ceiling panel, better organized and more complete than if I make it up off the cuff here, is in the text of the article above on this page.
Clean, seal, paint.
On 2019-02-02 by Anonymous
@Ned adams,
On 2018-02-28 by Ned adams
How to patch crack in beaver board ceiling circa 1948
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