This article describes the sequence of operating steps in a two-line jet pump water system.The process of diagnosis and the costs of the repair are explained.
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What happens when you turn on the water at a faucet in a building whose water is supplied by a two-line jet pump? (See the sketch at the top of This article for the basic components of a two-line jet pump system.)
The following steps describe normal operating of a building well pump and water supply system.
Other cases in which the well pump controls are not working properly, there is a problem with the controls, pressure tank, pump, or well itself are discussed
at WELL WATER PRESSURE DIAGNOSIS.
For our complete water pressure and pump, well, and piping problems diagnostic article list,
see WATER PRESSURE REPAIR GUIDE & COSTS
and WATER PRESSURE LOSS DIAGNOSIS & REPAIR.
Separately we also provide
at WATER PRESSURE PROBLEM DIAGNOSIS TABLE.
The following articles pertain if you have a private well, pump, and tank system for your building or if your incoming community water supply pressure and flow are just too low to start with:
(Aug 18, 2014) Bill K said:
Would it be conceivable to use a jet pump to clean out sediment at the bottom of a water well bore? We have six windmills on our ranch that are all around 140 feet deep that are 50 to 60 years old and sediment can get to be a problem over time.
I was hoping to achieve a new "lease on life" for these wells if I could clean them out in some way and a jet pump is the only thing I could think of that would be able to lift mud and such off the bottom if it could fit down the bore hole.
Bill
It's no surprise that articles on removing sand or silt from water wells mostly focus on filtering the water using various methods ranging from a cartridge filter to a centrifugal sand separator. But for removing sand or silt from the bottom of a well bore, well drillers have had to deal with this matter for generations and have several approaches.
The most common approach, provided we're not also going to exhaust the well's flow rate, is to pump silty sandy water from the well bottom for an extended period of time - possibly days. (Normally the water pick up in a well is set several feet above well bottom to avoid picking up settled debris).
You could use a 2-line jet pump whose pickup is at the end of the pair of pipes near well bottom COMBINED with some other jet to stir up muck to try to pump it out of a well bore, but you may destroy the pump in the process. Well drillers have a variety of approaches to removing debris from wells.
Typically a pump particluarly designed to handle sludge is used. Some examples are the Waterra pump line (waterra dot com)
Or search for sludge-pumps made by a variety of manufacturers.
Assuming your well bores are lined, it's possible that your lining has leaked or corroded or cracked. So you want to inspect the well bore (well bore camera) and if necessary, insert appropriate repair sleeves to cut the dirt or sediment or sand entry rate into the bore.
In 2010 the state of New Hampshire in the U.S. published a helpful article "Sand and Sediment in Water Wells", WD-DWGB-3-14 online as a PDF. des.nh.gov
Farmshow dot com has an interesting article about a home-made well-cleaner (Richard Guthrie's design) that uses a combination of a steel cylinder lowered into the well and compressed air - which may not be practical for deep wells such as you describe.
(Aug 19, 2014) Anonymous said:
Thanks Dan.
That gives me a lot more directions to go than I had before. I've been searching for an affordable well camera or even a rental place for one for several days now but they seem to be few and far between in West Texas. With six wells, not all working but we have plans for renewal on two, I'm tempted to buy one but at $3 to $4 grand or more each I'd hate to have one just sit for years after using it several times. I'd assume their resell value, if intact, would hold, though.
One personal theory of mine is that old well bores like this may also decline in production due to lime deposits at the layers of water production and may need to either be scraped in some way or acidized to promote continued flow.
This would produce a lot of debris that would need to be removed from the bottom of the bore but the cost of drilling another well (hit-or-miss proposition at $$$/ft regardless) and either moving the windmill or putting in a solar pump like we've done on one last year makes you go "hmmmm....
The well that's given us the most problems over the years is a high sulfur content water well. As of earlier this year the sulfur aquifer or layer has either played out or caked over and what little water is coming out is now sweet but production has gone down to almost nothing. Hence my longing for a well camera to reduce the guess work. Have any suggestions for any brands or opinions yea or nay on personal ownership?
Reply:
A bit costly to buy a well bore inspection camera. Here are a couple of ideas;
See if there are any chimney sweeps (probably not) in your area. Those guys may have a camera that can inspect the dry portion of the bore (which would be a partial exam)
OR
See if you can partner with a local well driller - one of the younger, more interested, technical fellows but who does not have an inspection camera. Offer to share the camera cost with him or her in exchange for examining your wells. S/he will then have a tool and expertise that expands her business.
(Aug 19, 2014) Bill K said:
Thanks again Dan,
I finally had time to more carefully read over your suggestions and the well cleaner of Mr. Guthrie's in Early, TX is intriguing. My uncle may actually be acquainted with him as he's from that area. I may contact him or his family to get a better understanding of that cleaner's design.
We have an old well cleaner in the barn that might be convertible to this method. And, yes, we have our own "magic pile" of junk that we've been re-purposing for three generations now! You NEVER throw anything away on a ranch or farm. Junk is a ag man's gold.
Our wells were drilled at a time that casing was only partially inserted down the bore to a depth, I'm assuming, that the rock layers began. I guess they thought the rock wall would hold for at least a generation or two but that would put us just about at the end of that time line.
Reply:
(Aug 20, 2014) (mod) said:
Indeed the casing is usually stopped some short distance into the rock if rock is encountered - since we expect water to enter the well bore through fissures in that very stone.
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Below you will find questions and answers previously posted on this page at its page bottom reader comment box.
On 2020-05-18 - by (mod) -
Do you have the parts explosion and manual for your pump? I'd check the parts schematic there.
On 2020-05-17 by Pat
I have a two pipe gould pump from 1985 model j05n i had to change the diagram gasket im not sure if the two holes go on the top
On 2018-06-17 - by (mod) -
Farm
It doesn't sound like you did anything wrong.
It does sounds like while the power was off and therefore the pump could not run, water draining back into the well through leaky or failed foot valve cause the pump to lose Prime. In this article series you'll find two ways to reprime the pump to get water going again.
However if you lose power again you're likely to lose Prime again and have no water. Therefore the correct fix is going to be to pull the well pipe and replace the foot valve. Some systems use a check valve right at the pump or between the pump and the well so that's another place to check for a failed or leaky check valve.
On 2018-06-17 by Farmer Blu
I turned off circuit breaker going to my below ground, two line , jet pump and then opened my water faucet to relieve water pressure so could replace a faucet valve located along same supply line. I left my water faucet open and turned on circuit breaker but no water came from open faucet.
My pump was running but never got water. Why not? What did I do wrong ? I need step by step troubleshooting procedure and please explain why my repair cause an issue?. Thank You Farmer Blu
On 2016-08-16 - by (mod) -
David,
Well that's a painful diagnostic.
Water might run continuously out of an artesian well, but still if your pump's output rate exceeds the well's flow rate you might temporarily run out of water and run the pump dry, damaging it.
But more likely explanations are
- a pressure control switch with a cut-off pressure set above the pump's capacity
- water running somewhere or a burst, leaky well pipe or water pipe
Gurgling out of the well usually means a leaky check valve or foot valve, but with an artesian well set-up I don't know.
IF your artesian well uses a well spool to seal water near the well top that could be leaking.
Also search InspectApedia.com for PUMP WON'T STOP RUNNING to read a longer list of causes and cures.
On 2016-08-15 by David Banks
I have a 2 pipe jet pump...it's brand new...it's still doing same thing old pump did...runs continually. ..pressure tank is good...28 psi in tank...
I have an artesian well and water continuously runs out of well....when I turn power off to pump I will get gurgling sound out of well....any ideas
On 2016-04-22 - by (mod) - can't get the well pump to prime
Frank,
I'd look for a leak in well piping in either of the lines, the downline or the upline
I'd look at the pump impeller assembly for scale or internal damage
I'd check the voltage level vs the pump requirements
If you search InspectApedia.com for HOW TO PRIME THE PUMP you will see a couple of methods; the "garden hose" method might work for you.
Keep us posted
On 2016-04-21 by Frank
I just bought a vacation property were it sat dorment for 5 years I have a deep well two-line jet pump that set without power this entire 5 years upon inspection of the well it appeared to still have Prime
water tank was still full of water pump motor needed some work to do to setting try as I might I cannot get it to Prime
now it passes a pressure test no leaks but no amount of priming seems to get it to the point where it will carry itself approximately 90 foot deep
it appears to have excellent suction not sure if next move is to pull Center pipe and check foot valve comments suggestions please thank you
On 2016-03-30 - by (mod) -
Mahfooz:
ऊर्ध्वाधर दूरी उठाने के लिए एक पानी पंप करने की क्षमता आम तौर पर निर्माता द्वारा पंप विनिर्देशों की एक तालिका में दी गई है । असल में उच्च पंप उठाने के लिए है, कम प्रति मिनट लीटर में उसके प्रवाह दर होगी। और अगर लिफ्ट पंप दर से अधिक है तो आप कुछ भी नहीं मिलता प्रबंधन कर सकते हैं । पाइप व्यास , पाइप झुकता है या फिटिंग, और साथ ही साथ ही अन्य कारकों में बह रही पानी की दर से मतलब हो सकता है कि पंप तरह से आप चाहते काम नहीं कर रहा है। लेकिन यह लौटने से पहले , चलो यकीन है कि पानी का खूब साथ ही ज , कि पंप क्षतिग्रस्त नहीं है , भरा न हो , और गरमा लीक नहीं है कि । यह भी जांच की जा रही है कि वोल्टेज से वितरित करने के लिए पंप मैचों क्या पंप डेटा टैग का कहना है कि उम्मीद है।
oordhvaadhar dooree uthaane ke lie ek paanee pamp karane kee kshamata aam taur par nirmaata dvaara pamp vinirdeshon kee ek taalika mein dee gaee hai . asal mein uchch pamp uthaane ke lie hai, kam prati minat leetar mein usake pravaah dar hogee. aur agar lipht pamp dar se adhik hai to aap kuchh bhee nahin milata prabandhan kar sakate hain . paip vyaas , paip jhukata hai ya phiting, aur saath hee saath hee any kaarakon mein bah rahee paanee kee dar se matalab ho sakata hai ki pamp tarah se aap chaahate kaam nahin kar raha hai. lekin yah lautane se pahale , chalo yakeen hai ki paanee ka khoob saath hee ja , ki pamp kshatigrast nahin hai , bhara na ho , aur garama leek nahin hai ki . yah bhee jaanch kee ja rahee hai ki voltej se vitarit karane ke lie pamp maichon kya pamp deta taig ka kahana hai ki ummeed hai.
On 2016-03-30 - by (mod) -
Mahfooz
The ability of a water pump to lift vertical distances is usually given in a table of pump specifications by the manufacturer. Basically the higher the pump has to lift, the less will be its flow rate in liters per minute. And if the lift rate is higher than the pump can manage you get nothing.
Pipe diameter, pipe bends or fittings, and the rate of water flowing into the well as well as other factors can mean that the pump is not working the way you want. But before returning it, let's be sure that the well h as plenty of water, that the pump is not damaged, not clogged, and that the piping is not leaking.
Also check that the voltage being delivered to the pump matches what the pump data tag says it expects.
On 2016-03-29 - by (mod) -
English translation of Mahfooz' question:
Translation
I bought a j1 1hp. The dealer stated the water level would be upto 60 feet. But the water’s something capacity something. Thereafter after getting/ buying the fitting, the water is not coming. The water level is about 35 feet and it is not working.
On 2016-03-29 by mahfooz alam
Mai ne j1 1hp kharida dealer ne bataya ki pani ka level 60 feet tak ho fir vi pani khichne ki capicity hai lekin fitting larne ke baad pani nahi aaraha hai jis ka water level lagbhag 35 feet hai kaam nahi kar raha hai
(Dec 11, 2011) Ken said:
Problem: Pump will lose it's pressure very quickly.
It is a Two Line Jet Pump.
Question: If I put a check valve at the pump side do you think this will fix the problem?
The small line pushes the water down the well. The large line is pulling the water up the pipe. If the pressure leak is cased by something at the small pipe how could I put a check valve on the pump side to prevent the problem?
(June 30, 2012) Mike said:
Hi,
I just bought the house with old Myers 2 line jet pump which is used for the sprinkler system only.
On the instruction for home owner ( paper on the basement wall ) said to keep one valve ( intake) open , the other one ( from the pump) closed. I thought they both should be open. Any idea why ?
Mike I'd like to help but am flying blind here - I just don't understand what valves are where - certainly if you close a valve found immediately on the outlet side of a water pump (that is between the pump outlet and the pressure tank or any other piping) you're likely to blow the pump seals or damage the unit.
I am making a WILD GUESS that perhaps your home converted from private well to municipal water, and that the old pump and well were kept for yard watering, and you are being instructed not to feed pump output into the house (try following the pipes to see what's going on).
If this is the case, the installation is improper and unsanitary. If it's the case I describe the pump should have no connection to house piping whatsoever.
(May 11, 2014) Harold said:
I need to know if a double foot valve is requuired when the pump is drawing water from a lake.
Harold:
You might need a larger size or larger capacity foot valve when picking up water from a lake if fast or frequent clogging of the foot valve screen is a problem.
You might need multiple check valves over the height of a long vertical water pick-up line if, for example, the total rise in height was more than 250 feet. In that case experts often say you need an additional check valve for every 250 feet of vertical rise.
(July 8, 2014) Anonymous said:
can i switch from a two drop pipe system to a one drop pipe system
Anon it depends on the well depth - the total lift that the pump has to achieve. If your well water pick-up point is more than 27 ft. below ground level you'll need a 2-line jet pump or if you need to go to just one pipe, then you'll need to use an in-well submersible pump.
(Sept 14, 2014) frank s said:
pump wont go up to forty lbs only goes to 36 and wont stop running
Frank
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