Definition & explanation of well pump drawdown volume & typical drawdown cycle times:
Here we explain how to diagnose & correct water pump intermittent cycling "on-off" when no water is (known to be) running in a building. Well pump & water tank off-use cycling or water pump turning on-and-off: diagnosis & repair procedures.
SHORT CYCLE vs INTRMITTENT CYCLE: Comparison of Intermittent Well Pump Cycling with a Short-Cycling Water Pump Problem or with Lost Water Pressure. INTERMITTENT CYCLING REPAIRS: How To Fix Water Pump Intermittent Cycling
This article defines drawdown volume and time for well or water pump systems. Thanks to a suggestion from reader A.L. we include a table of typical water pressure tank or well tank sizes and we show those tank rated volumes, actual drawdown cycle water volume, and typical drawdown cycle "on" times. Shown at page top, a reader's water pressure tank and her well pump's controls.
This article series explains how to diagnose & repair water pump cycling problems like short cycling, intermittent cycling, continuous pump operation, or well pump chattering.
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So is your well pump short-cycling? Intermittent cycling? Or is something else wrong? Or are there two things wrong?
Our photo shows one way to measure the actual delivery rate of water at a plumbing fixture: measure the time required to fill a 5-gallon bucket. Note that this is the flow-rate in GPM of the plumbing system including pump, pipes, controls etc.
It does not tell us the capacity of the well to deliver water.
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The draw-down volume in a water pump system is the volume of water that can be run out of a pump and pressure tank system before the pump turns on, starting with the pressure tank fully charged and the pump having turned-off at the system CUT-OFF pressure, and ending with the water system reaching the CUT-ON pressure and thus turning the pump back on.
A typical draw-down volume is the rated "equivalent gallons" of a water pressure tank is 20 gallons, 32 gallons, 40 gallons, or sometimes larger.
Just how much time is required to draw down the pressure tank's rated volume depends on the plumbing system's flow rate in gallons per minute but the draw down volume will always be less than the tank's specified "volume".
That difference is a feature of pressure tank design including the requirement that about half of the tank's volume might be used by its air space, and it's also a feature of the operating pressure range of the tank.
The time required for a well pump to re-charge the water pressure tank depends in turn on the pressure tank volume in gallons, the well pump's discharge rate in gallons per minute, and of course the well's flow rate, since a limited-flow-rate well may require limiting the well pump's actual discharge rate.
Keep in mind that a well pump's discharge rate in gpm will be reduced depending on the height to which the pump has to lift or push the water out of the well and into the water pressure tank.
See WATER PUMP CAPACITIES TYPES RATES GPM
and
See WELL FLOW RATE for details of measuring the capacity of a well to deliver water.
Examples: Amtrol's WellXTrol water pressure tanks are sold in tank volumes from 2.0 gallons to 119.0 gallons.
The actual draw-down volumes of these tanks when operating in a 40/60 psi pressure range will vary from 0.6 gallons (for the WX-101 2.0 gallon tank) to 28.1 gallons (for the WX-350, a 119 gallon tank). A 20-gallon WX202 has a draw-down volume of 6.2 gallons (at 20/40 psi) or 5.4 gallons (at 40/60 psi) or 4.7 gallons (at 50/70 psi).
Now if we're running water into a typical residential bath tub at 4 gpm, that means that if a 20-gallon pressure tank and a 40/60 pressure control switch is going to give us (5.4 drawdown / 4 gpm usage rate) 1.35 minutes of running water (from full at last pump shut-off) or 81 seconds before the pump has to turn on again.
Table of Typical Water Pressure Tank Sizes, Volumes & Drawdown Volumes1 |
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Well-X-Trol Tank Model No.2 | Rated Tank Volume (Gallons) |
Tank Height ((Inches) |
Drawdown Volume (Gallons) 3 vs Pump Pressure Range (psi) |
Drawdown Time 4 (Seconds or Minutes) |
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30/50 PSI | 40/60 PSI | 50/70 PSI | 40/60 psi Example | |||
WX-101 | 2 | 13 | 0.6 | 0.6 | 0.5 | 9 sec |
WX-202 | 20 | 32 | 6.2 | 5.4 | 4.7 | 1.35 min |
WX-202 XL | 26 | 39 | 8.0 | 7.0 | 6.1 | 1.75 min |
WX-203 | 32 | 47 | 9.9 | 8.6 | 7.7 | 2 min |
WX-250 | 44 | 36 | 13.6 | 11.8 | 10.4 | 3 min |
WX-255 | 81 | 57 | 25.0 | 21.7 | 19.1 | 5.4 min |
WX-350 | 119 | 62 | 36.8 | 31.9 | 28.1 | 8 min |
1. Adapted & expanded (with drawdown time) from
2. Amtrol's Well-X-Trol well tanks are sold in at least 16 different sizes. The table above, adapted from Amtrol's tank sizing data, offers and expands on water tank specifications for typical residential and light-commercial sized well tanks.
3. Drawdown volume in gallons = the volume of water that can be drawn out of a fully-pressurized well tank with pump off until the time that the pump turns on.
4. Example drawdown time = time from start of running water out of a fully-pressurized well tank with pump off until the time that the pump turns on. For the purposes of this example we assume that the water flow rate out of the well tank is at 4 gallons per minute - a typical residential bathing tub spigot flow rate.
We also assume that the well pump pressure control switch is set to turn the pump ON when system pressure falls to 40 psi and that it turns the pump OFF when system pressure rises to 60 psi.
Really? Well no. Actual well tank water volume drawdown cycle times and volumes will vary considerably depending on the pump's delivery or discharge rate, well flow rate, the lift height of water from the well, piping sizes and run lengths, elbows, fittings, friction losses and other features.
Typical well pump discharge rates range from 5 to 40 gpm but may be further limited by well flow rate restrictions and restrictors and by pump lift height.
5. Typical design specifications for well systems using a 3/4 hp well pump expect the pump to be "on" for one to two minutes during water tank re-charging provided that no water is being consumed in the building served.
This well pump drawdown time table © 2016 InspectApedia.com
2016/12/03 Anonymous (by private email) wrote:
I'm not sure if my pressure tank is short cycling or not. I've read through much of your info. & can not find a definitive answer. Our tank is a bladder tank. It is at least 13-15 years old. I do apologize in advance, I do not know the specs. of the tank.
But I know by comparison to the tanks I've seen at Lowes, that our bladder tank is rather large, and appropriately so. ~ I've attached an image. (We just replaced the 50g water heater & had the plumbing cleaned up - the image is just for visual aid of the bladder tank size because I believe it may be relevant.)
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So these are my questions:
I read somewhere that if a bladder tank clicks on/off more than 6x's an hour, that there is an issue, somewhere.
That more than 6x's an hour is considered "short cycling." But is this referral "6x's an hour" for ALL sized tanks? All I really need to know is, is my tank operating within normal parameters, for a tank in it's size range? Or should I be concerned? Is my tank in fact short cycling?
And lastly; WHEN a tank is operating normally, how often should it click on/off in an hour when not in active use?
Does the size of the tank matter when it comes to switching on/off so many times in an hour when it is idol?? I can not find this info, & I believe it would be helpful to me/others so we have a basis for comparison.
At least for me, if I can recognize that the clicks are getting closer together, I can get proactive before my well pump is damaged.
This question was provided by reader Anon. by email and was posted originally
at WATER PUMP INTERMITTENT CYCLING.
Our sketch shows the components of a typical drilled well with submersible pump, courtesy of Carson Dunlop Associates, a Toronto home inspection & education firm cited atReferences or Citations . [Click to enlarge any image]
Am I right that your home is served by a private well system and that your well pump is a submersible unit that's in the well?
And also am I right that your pressure control switch (at the water tank) is turning on and off the pump directly?
That switch is described
at WATER PUMP PRESSURE CONTROL REPAIR
That is to say, there is no second heavy-duty relay control mounted nearby that is actually running the pump? (That second control is used on higher horsepower pumps and is described at WATER PUMP RELAY SWITCH ) If your system does use a second pump control relay you might hear two clicks when the pump turns on or off.
If so, then when the pressure drops in your water system, the pressure switch clicks closed and the well pump turns on. Standing anywhere near the pressure tank and control switch you won't hear anything except that click - that's the pressure control switch relay clicking to "close" to turn on the pump or clicking when it "opens" to turn off the pump.
Now to the question at hand. IF no water is being run out of your plumbing system, that is no faucets or fixtures running indoors, no running toilets, no water supply pipe leaks, no outdoor faucets running, no outdoor irrigation system running, THEN the pump should not be turning on and off as if some fairy godfather were mischievously flipping a switch somewhere.
SO if the pump is turning on and off by itself for no apparent reason, EITHER you're wrong and water is running somewhere in the building (or there's a leak) OR there is a leak outside of the building in the well piping.
For example, a bad check valve or failed foot valve in the well or a hole in well piping will permit water to leak backwards out of the pressure tank and back down the well piping when the pump has turned off. As that drainback leak occurs, pressure in the pressure tank falls, and eventually the pump pressure switch (not the fairy godfather) turns the pump on and you hear a CLICK!
This sort of mystery pump cycling on and off is explained further
at WATER PUMP INTERMITTENT CYCLING
An easy way to diagnose this condition is to turn off the main water shutoff valve between your pressure tank and the building. Now if the pump turns on again you can figure the leak is in the well piping.
The advice you read that a pump cycling on and off 6 times an hour as the normal maximum is malarkey.
When no water is being used the pump might finish an "on" cycle, bringing pressure in the system up to the cut-off pressure setting, but after that, as long as no water is being used the pump should never run. I cannot imagine what the heck your "6 times an hour" writer was thinking.
The rate of pump cycling on and off depends on the water usage rate, pressure or water storage tank size, type of water pressure tank, building water piping sizes, lengths, number of fixtures running and even the pump's horsepower or ability to deliver water from the well.
It's possible to run so much water so fast that the well pump simply runs continuously.
It's also possible that a slow leak such as a sneaky running toilet that's leaking so slowly you've not noticed it is wasting water and turning on the pump from time to time when no other water is being used.
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Below you will find questions and answers previously posted on this page at its page bottom reader comment box.
On 2021-07-28 by danjoefriedman (mod)
@Bob S,
First check to assure that there is plenty of water available to the pump: to rule out pump shut-down by a pump protection device that turns of the pump to prevent it from running dry (no water) - which would damage the pump.
If there's plenty of water then the pump motor itself may be damaged and overheating, shutting down on thermal overload
Or there may be damaged pump wiring - delivering low-voltage to the pump
Your electrician or pump installer will check for these; let us know what you're told as we can then suggest more.
On 2021-07-28 by Bob S
P.S. Not getting any water output.
On 2021-07-28 by Bob S
After Electrical storm, Pressure switch points stay closed, even with power shut off, when power is ON, pump runs 5-6 seconds at a time, then shuts down for 2-3 minutes. Pump is in a spring-fed cistern and is only 4 months old. What is happening?
On 2021-07-27 by inspectapedia.com.moderator (mod)
@Joe,
You certainly could take the step of making sure that the water pressure tank air pre-charged is 2 PSI below the pump cut in pressure, but that's something that you already know.
The phone for failing under load, such as when it gets near the cut out pressure I would be a different symptom from what you are describing.
It's also important that the pressure control switch be located quite close to the water pressure tank.
On 2021-07-27 by Joe
@inspectapedia.com.moderator, I appreciate the challenges of trying to diagnose from afar (with my explanations of the problem)...I don't think it's the water level since the pause (10 second) in water flow is at the start of the refilling cycle (after the pressure drops to the low level (40 PSI).
It seems like something needs to tell the pump to start sooner?? Is it possible that the lag has something to do with the pressure tank setting?? Also I note that the old pressure tank was at 28 PSI and should have been at 38 for a 40/60 switch, (although set wrong I did not have the latest issue of pausing / stopping water flow). Thanks
On 2021-07-26 by inspectapedia.com.moderator (mod)
@Joe,
With the apology that you have to understand that I pretty much Flying Blind here
Another thing that would keep your pump from running would be low water in the well combined with a pump protection switch or circuit. If that's the case the water pressure in the system can drop but if the pump has been running in the control sensors that the pump could be running dry it will shut it off.
On 2021-07-26 by Joe
@inspectapedia.com.moderator, I may be misstating the problem. It may not be limited to the second story. Thats' just where I noticed it.
I think the issue is when the water is running and it causes the pressure to drop below the cut in(40 PSI), then it takes a while for the water from the pump to get to the house and start filling/ building the pressure back to 60. Could that be a weak pump??? Thanks again!
On 2021-07-26 by inspectapedia.com.moderator (mod)
@Joe,
What is the theory that would explain pulling your pump for this case?
Variations in pressure and flow that occur only in part of a building and not in other parts would not be likely to point to the pump itself.
If the problem were the pump it would affect the pressure everywhere.
On 2021-07-26 by Joe
Pressure switch and gauge and check valve and pressure tank are new . Pipes were cleaned when we replaced.
Is there another problem which might cause water pressure on second story shower getting low then stopping for about 10 seconds then starting again?? Thanks. Trying to eliminate anything wrong inside before they go to pull pump which is over 400ft down.... Thanks again!
On 2021-07-25 by danjoefriedman (mod)
@Joe,
check for a debris-clogged pressure gauge - that can cause the symptom you describe
On 2021-07-25 1 by Joe
Original problem was groaning noise from pressure tank (when filling) and some air / sputtering at faucets. Have recently replaced pressure tank (due to age), switch (40/60), gauge, and check valve. Tank is set at 38psi.
While it solved the problem of the groaning noise when pressure tank is filling, now I'm having problem with water pressure on second story shower getting low then stopping for about 10 seconds then starting again.
Any ideas? Also I note that the old pressure tank was at 28 PSI and should have been at 38 for a 40/60 switch, (although set wrong I did not have the latest issue of pausing / stopping water flow). Thanks
On 2021-06-19 by inspectapedia.com.moderator (mod)
@John McElwee Jr,
Do I understand that you mean that your will is running out of water or that you are not able to prime the pump?
On 2021-06-19 by John McElwee Jr
Having issues with recovering water. Pump and tank are a year old. Replaced switch 30/50. Tank is 33 gallons. Casing has water approximately 15/20 feet below surface. Tank as 28 psi. Added a new powder room and 3 sinks in an out building garage. Not sure if this is the problem. Have a gould 3 wire 115 volt 10 gpm.
On 2020-12-29 by danjoefriedman (mod)
Thanks Dave, that's interesting and useful data.
The pump duty cycle designed by the manufacturer varies by pump brand and model; for example some pumps are rated for continuous on-duty - for hours at a time, with no damage while others might overheat and suffer damage.
In general I'd listen to the installing experts and to Amtrol about the tank pressure.
On 2020-12-29 by danjoefriedman (mod)
Thanks Dave, that's interesting and useful data.
The pump duty cycle designed by the manufacturer varies by pump brand and model; for example some pumps are rated for continuous on-duty - for hours at a time, with no damage while others might overheat and suffer damage.
In general I'd listen to the installing experts and to Amtrol about the tank pressure.
On 2020-12-29 by dave
@danjoefriedman,
i called a well pump install company and go this info . the most wear on the pump is the cycling on and off , run time of one minute is the minimum for house small pumps for 1/2 to 1 Hp . but tank pressure at 11 psi could over streach the tank blader. , called amtrol tech - was told that may over streach blader in tank and no less than 5 psi below tank cut in pressure. . my tank is over 30 years old and was set at 11 psi for 10 + years till i adjusted it to 22 psi . AMTROL TANK WX 250
On 2020-12-29 by danjoefriedman (mod)
That's pretty intereting, Dave, thanks for the posting; I'll do some further research, and it'll help if you can give the source for your "I was told ..." remark; we might check that against the recommendations of the manufacturer of your pump brand and model.
In general we set the pressure tank air pre-charge to 2 psi below the pressure control switch CUT-IN pressure. That's the standard manufacturer recommendation found in just about any water pressure tank installation manual.
On 2020-12-29 by dave
I noted, lower tank head pressure increases tank water capacity and decreases pump run time. I lowered tank pressure to 11 psi and house water pressure is still ok . pump now runs for 1.5 minutes , It runs for 2 minutes with tank pressure at 22 psi. So is it ok for the pump to run for shorter time to increase life of pump. I was told the pump would have less wear if it runs for 2 minutes due to the water cooling the pump
On 2019-04-09 02:49:52.888960 by Anonymous
"Normal well pump operation with a pressure tank will give a water volume draw-down cycle of 30 seconds to 1-2 minutes for a typical water pressure tank, or much longer if larger water pressure tanks or water storage tanks are installed."
What is "volume draw-down cycle"; the time it takes the pump to fill the tank at cut on up to cut off pressure? IOW the time a pump will be on (not how often)?
On 2020-08-26 by (mod) - how long for a well pump to fill the pressure tank
Ray,
IF no water is being run in the building, and
IF there are no leaks in the well piping system, then
IF we assume a typical residential pump output rate of 4 gallons per minute, and
IF your 20 gallon water pressure tank were "empty" - that is water was run until pressure in the tank turned on the pump [which is not really totally "empty"],
THEN figure 20 / 4 or about 5 minutes max to fill the pressrue tank.
On 2020-08-26 by Ray
how long should a well pump run to fill a 20 gal. pressure tank.
On 2020-06-14 by (mod) - pump taking a long time to recover
Janet
Take a look at the diagnostic suggestions
at WATER PUMP WONT STOP RUNNING
and let me know what you think
On 2020-06-14 by Janet
My pump seems to be taking a long time to recover or get to the pressure shut off
On 2020-06-08 by (mod) - normal for the pump to always turn on after just 5 seconds of water use?
No, that's short cycling
See WATER PUMP SHORT CYCLING - pump comes on too soon or runs way too often
On 2020-06-07 by Bob
Well pump turns on within 5 seconds of turning on a faucet or flushing a toilet. Is this normal?
On 2020-03-30 by (mod) - air sputtering from a faucet closest to the well
Gary
Please take a look at the diagnostics at
AIR DISCHARGE at FAUCETS, FIXTURES
and let me know if that works for you or if you have further questions.
On 2020-03-30 by Gary
Recently I have been seeing air sputtering from a faucet closest to the well, not just at turn-on. I have found no leaks and with no water running the well pump does not run.
The well pump and pressure tank are buried. The well was up-graded about 10 years ago and the pressure tank looked like a large donut surrounding the well pipe and was buried.
The previous well head and tank were in a pit. I have be told it could be a bad "deep well air volume control" But haven't found anything that looks what I have got.
On 2020-01-28 by (mod) - ok if my pump runs for 6 minutes
OK so that sounds reasonable.
On 2020-01-28 by Anonymous
I installed a 119 pressure tank and a 20 to 40 switch. Is it ok if my pump runs for 6 minutes when going g from 20 to 40.it does take a long time before it needs to run
On 2019-04-09 by (mod) - how long before the pump should turn on
Anon
Thank you for asking. I should clarify as you request. By drawdown cycle I mean the amount of water that can be drawn before the pump has to turn on.
Typically that's 15 seconds to about a minute and a half - depending on a number of variables described above on this page
On 2019-04-09 by Anonymous
"Normal well pump operation with a pressure tank will give a water volume draw-down cycle of 30 seconds to 1-2 minutes for a typical water pressure tank, or much longer if larger water pressure tanks or water storage tanks are installed."
What is "volume draw-down cycle"; the time it takes the pump to fill the tank at cut on up to cut off pressure? IOW the time a pump will be on (not how often)?
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