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How to set the air pre-charge pressure in an internal diaphragm type expansion tank (compression tank) on hot water heating systems

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Heating boiler bladder-type expansion tank / compression tank pressure adjustment:

For most installations the factory-set air pre-charge in an expansion tank is correct and should be left alone.

But there are some circumstances in which an adjustment to the pre-charge may be needed: when the pre-charge was not to factory specifications, when the air pre-charge pressure needs to be increased to accommodate building height, or when there has been air lost from the system through the bladder.

In this article series we provide a heating system expansion tank / compression tank Troubleshooting & Repair Guide that will address just about any problem traced to this heating system component.

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Pressure Settings for Bladder-Type Heating Boiler Expansion Tanks

Heating boiler compression / expansion tank (C) Daniel Friedman The photo at left shows a modern Extrol(R) bladder-type heating system expansion tank mounted above the heating water line.

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Typically the internal bladder in this type of expansion tank is made of butyl rubber and accepts water from the hot water heating system.

The area outside the bladder but inside the tank is where the tank's air pre-charge resides.

Factory pressure settings:

Typical factory air pre-charge settings is 12-psi, the same as the automatic water feed valve boiler set-pressure when the boiler is cold.

Watch out: excessive pressure in the heating boiler is unsafe and can risk a BLEVE explosion; if you see a dripping pressure-temperature relief valve the system may be unsafe and certainly needs prompt inspection and repair by a trained heating service technician.

The red cap atop the expansion tank shown at left covers the air valve through which the expansion tank's air pressure is pre-set at the factory.

Depending on the tank's installation position this plastic covered valve (not intended for homeowner use) may be on the tank's bottom rather than its upper surface.

I'm not sure about this position as shown, as Amtrol's installation instructions for the Amtrol Extrol models EX-15 through EX-90 state

Mount tank vertically in downward position only. Ensure the piping can support the entire weight of the tank when full of water.

Reader Question: how do I know the right PSI setting for my expansion tank?

Oct 5, 2014) Luis R. said: How I do know the correct PSI for my new expansion tank? Do I need a Fill Trol-valve in my new diaphragm expansion tank system?

I did eliminated the old horizontal expansion tank form my hot water boiler system and I decided to put a new diaphragm system , with the three part recommended , an air vent , air purge and the expansion tank.

The ET tank I did put in is not a Extrol Amtrol tank, is a Therm-o-Flex expansion tank.

I did not put a Fill troll valve, do I need one?, and do not know if I have to put more air into the new expansion tank that already came pre-charge with 12 PSI, and I do not know how much more will be need it .

My hot water heating boiler system is Gas; water 30PSI, min. relief valve cap. 144, water BTU/HR 125.200 input 180.000, output 144.000.

Reply:

The tank you installed comes with a proper air pre-charge in it. Usually the manufacturer sets that air pre-charge at 12-psi cold, a pressure suitable for most residential installations.

The installer may check the air charge using an accurate gauge type pressure gauge, and as we explain in this article series, for taller buildings requiring a higher cold starting pressure in the boiler, the expansion tank may need to be pre-charged to that same pressure level, a setting above 12 psi, in which case your heating service technician may add a bit of air to the pressure tank through its normally-sealed air valve.

Don't change the pressure tank air pre-charge pressure yourself.

First check to see if the expansion tank has lost its charge

There are two valid checks that can be made on the pressure of the air charge in an internal diaphragm or bladder type expansion tank on a heating boiler:

  1. Disconnect the expansion tank completely

     from the heating system and then measure air pressure using an accurate air pressure gauge at the tank's air valve
  2. Cool down and drain the hot water heating system until its pressure reading is at zero psi

    and then measure air pressure using an accurate air pressure gauge at the tank's air valve

The only other time we might need to add air to an internal-bladder type compression / expansion tank on a hot water heating system is if over time the air pressure on a cold system's bladder tank has fallen below 12 psi.

This can happen by slow air migration through the tank bladder into the heating system water.

As we explain

at EXPANSION TANK DIAGNOSIS, experts estimate the air loss through the tank bladder at about 1 psi per year - a very low rate. So you should not have to be adding air to a bladder-type compression tank frequently.

Also check the boiler's cold pressure setting. SOME but no all model of expansion tank include an automatic fill-trol valve while others do not - check the model that you installed.

OK enough theory, how do I know the right expansion tank air pre-charge setting:

Heating system pressure requirements to get heat to upper floorsFor most installations, the expansion tank pre-charge setting should be the same as the boiler's cold pressure setting.

That's why the manufacturer ships the expansion tank pre-charged to 12 psi. That's the same default feed pressure found on hydronic boiler water feeders.

At WATER FEEDER VALVE, HYDRONIC BOILER we explain that because a hydronic heating system's circulator pump has little "lift" capacity (it just pushes the water around the loop of boiler and heating piping and radiators), the heating system depends on its internal water pressure to lift hot water to radiators (baseboards, or convectors) on upper floors in the building.

A higher building may therefore need higher heating system water pressure in order to be able to circulate heat adequately to upper floors. The sketch at left, courtesy of Carson Dunlop Associates, explains that a three-story building will need heating system pressure set up to at least 15 psi. when the heating boiler is cold.

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Watch out: never pressurize any tank at levels above the tank's rated pressure range. Over-pressurizing any enclosed container risks a burst container, severe injury and building damage.

For pressure tanks on heating systems that need to operate at pressures over 30 psi - which would not be normal for a typical residential hot water heating system - an ASME-rated pressure tank must be selected and installed.

Hydronic Heating Boiler Expansion Tank Sources & Instructions

Some attic expansion tanks never needed a pressure adjustment nor air charge

In older hot water heating system installations an expansion tank was sometimes placed on the highest building enclosed space such as in the attic or under-roof space. These systems were often open to the atmosphere.

An expansion tank overflow drain emptied out onto the roof or into a roof gutter or drainage system.

When heating system pressures dropped and water level in the expansion tank dropped as well, air could be drawn back into the attic expansion tank through its drain opening.

Attic expansion tank (C) Daniel Friedman

In a few cases I (DF) have also found cistern-like designs for attic expansion tanks in which the tank in the attic had not top at all, simply an overflow drain.

Attic expansion tank in Poughkeepsie (C) Daniel Friedman

I'm not sure but I think the interesting open water receptacle shown below, and something I observed while inspecting the Justin Morrill Smith Homestead in South Stratford, Vermont in the U.S., was a heating boiler overflow system.

It was quite small, certainly not large enough to be used as a water supply cistern. Its piping was incomplete.

Possible attic expansion tank system, Justin Morrill Smith House (C) Daniel Friedman

See ATTIC & ANTIQUE EXPANSION TANKS, HEATING for details about these systems.

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Reader Comments, Questions & Answers About The Article Above

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On 2021-12-02 by Inspectapedia Com Moderator - "Air in boiler" light was on

@Mohamed,

Great news, glad you've got heat again. And thanks for taking time to report back - that will help other readers.

Daniel

On 2021-12-02 by Mohamed

@Inspectapedia Com Moderator,

Thank you very much. Problem solved when I realized how to top up the pressure using two valves around the expansion tank.

When the pressure started to increase, the boiler automatically kicked in and the "Air in boiler" light went off.

Many thanks again and best regards.

On 2021-12-02 by Inspectapedia Com Moderator

@Mohamed,

There may indeed still be air in the boiler.

If your automatic water feed valve did not send more water into the boiler, then when you released enough air pressure from the boiler top the pressure in the system falls to zero.

Get that water feeder working or feed a bit of water into the boiler manually to raise its pressure to 12 psi (cold), then try bleeding more air.

In most residential hot water heating boiler installations those air vents should be working automatically.

Give the age, country and city location of the boiler and its brand and model and we might be able to say more.

On 2021-12-02 by Mohamed

I needed to release the air in the boiler as the "Air in boiler" light was on. After releasing the air from the two valves at the top of the boiler, the pressure gauge of the expansion tank fell to zero. And the "Air in boiler" light is still on ! Any suggestions please? Thanks.

On 2021-11-04 by Inspectapedia Com Moderator

@Cubitus700,

to be clear,

A presssure tank or an expansion tank that uses an internal bladder should never need pressure adjustment after its initial installation set-up.

If such a tank stops working properly it's likely that its internal bladder is leaking.

Non-bladder type (older, traditional) pressure tanks and expansion tanks need periodic draining to prevent water-logging.

On 2021-11-04 by Cubitus700

@inspectapedia.com.moderator, Thank you. Effectively, the metric thing could make sense but I thought all this equipment was uniform for all of North America.

Anyway, I tried on my EX-30 a couple of times, but if that one doesn't work it may be because the plug is clogged by iron and manganese residues from the inside (it was 21 years in service and never cleaned or readjusted...). I just can't get the air in.

I was using it to practice, because I did not want to accidentally bring out to much air while I was taking the pressure, or trying to inflate it.

But now that I know it's necessary to do this while its not connected to the system, I will attempt it this weekend. Without it installed, it may probably work better.

It's just that the stem's diameter appears smaller than the usual tire ones from either my lawn tractor, car or trailer. I tell you how it went. Mine was never services, and service people told me you never touch that (an expansion tank).

Now I read it's preferable to readjust the pressure every year...But the whole system is so silent, it's incredible, no more buzz. Thank you "moderator"...

On 2021-11-02 by inspectapedia.com.moderator (mod)

@cubitus700@gmail.com,

For decades I've used an ordinary tire pressure gauge on countless pressure tank air valves -

If your tank uses an air valve that doesn't fit a standard US Tire gauge the tank (or your gauges) might be encountering an incompatibility between Metric and US valve sizes.

OR some prior user might have swapped the valve on your EX-60.

Here's a copy of

the EXTROL EX-SERIES EXPANSION TANK INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS [PDF]

On 2021-11-02 by cubitus700@gmail.com

Question on checking and adjusting air pressure in Expansion Tank, Model EX-60

I just replaced my expansion tank, my old ex-30 had a ruptured diaphragm. I noticed in the Amtrol paper work that a chart recommend for a system of my BTU with Steel cast radiators (my system is mixed, fins and steel cast), to use an EX-60. By chance I found a free one with some years on it but in excellent shape. I installed it before checking the pressure. My system is calibrated at 18 psi.

Interestingly, my aquastat stop sticking and the system is working completely silently, as it had not done so for years. Most pros told me it was normal for Aquasat to stick, and that you may need to replace it.

But I was wondering is an inadequately functioning Expansion Tank allows for pressure shocks, which creates irregular voltage feedback from the circulating pump towards the Aquastat getting the relay to stick and be noisy...it's the only explanation I can make of this. (but this is a side question). My system had always been noisy (electric buzz).

Back to the main topic.

Now, on attempting to test the pressure, my nozzles didn't fit the stem properly. My tools are tire nozzles including a clamp. I have used them on various tires stems (car, lawn tractor, and trailer tires, always works fine).

Amtrol/Extrol doesn't specify if a special caliber nozzle is necessary. But all of mine let the air pass away and don't capture a pressure reading nor are able to inflate the tank.

I now understand that I will have to take the tank out to test it and adjust it if need be. I am putting a picture of my tools so you can understand my dilemma and a picture of the old tanks stem against my pressure gauge.

Model EX 60 expansion tank (C) InspectApedia.com Cubitus700

On 2021-02-28 by danjoefriedman (mod) - expansion tank on solar hot water system

@Keith Briggs,

Thank you, that's an interesting question. Since I don't know the answer I've been doing some reading and research and will report further here including providing some references to the experts.

What I see so far is that there are concerns with the choice of type of expansion tank because you need one that can tolerate high temperatures, and the actual calculations for size and pressure pre-set are both important and a bit complex.

You could of course, the manufacturer of your particular system but I suspect they're going to want to know some details about your installation including the total volume of hot water or glycol mix circulating through the solar heating system.

On 2021-02-28 by Keith Briggs

My Solar Hot Water system is closed so adding an expansion tank. Water pressure in the loop varies from 38 to 50 psi. What is the preferred pressure to charge my bladder to before installing?

I mounted upside down (threads down) with an inline shutoff valve exactly as my boiler plumber mounted the new one in Colorado on my hydronic system.

On 2020-11-29 by danjoefriedman (mod) - differences between potable and non potable connections

Alan

Yes, the pressure tank on a potable water system - a pump and well system for example - is usually much larger than the pressure tank used on a hydronic heating system or to handle expansion in a domestic water heater.

Piping connections may also vary - obviously larger on larger tanks.

On 2020-11-29 by Alan

Is the pressure preset on the tanks different from potable to non potable and are non potable connections at 1/2 inch rather than 3/4 inch?

On 2020-02-13 by (mod) - internal bladder heating system expansion tanks don't need adjustment (usually)

Frank,

For most installations the factory-set air pre-charge in an expansion tank is correct and should be left alone.

However, if you will review the article above on this page, you'll see that we handle other situations where you might need to adjust the pressure from other than factory setting.

On 2020-02-12 by Frank

how much air pressure do you put in a bladder on a weil mclain residential CGa4 gas boiler

On 2018-12-24 by (mod) -

Paul,

If the circulator pump works and you are dead sure that all valves are open but hot water isn't circulating, I'd look for a problem with air in the system somewhere in the higher piping. Can you follow the hot water pipes out of the boiler?

Does the pipe get hot up to but not past the circulator? Past the circulator but not at the return?

In any case it's not an expansion tank pressure setting problem - that's where you posted this query.

You might try AIR-BOUND HEATING SYSTEMS

On 2018-12-23 by Paul

My in floor heat system isn’t working. I took the pump apart and all seems fine with that. I repressurized the tank but in line pressure gauge still reads zero. What could be the problem?
Image lost please re-post

On 2018-10-29 by (mod) - bookmarking web pages with long names

Guest

On your Windows Internet Explorer window, at the top right click the icon that looks like a star - that's the "bookmark this page" feature in your Explorer browser.

You'll see that a window pops open showing the page name and allowing you to edit the name to be as short or long as you like.

On 2018-10-29 by guest

Cannot bookmark this page in Windows Explorer. Page title is too long to create a shortcut by drag & drop into a sub folder.

On 2016-07-13 by (mod) -

Todd:

Your buddy should SHUT OFF the system IMMEDIATELY as letting it continue to run is potentially dangerous, even risking a BLEVE explosion. (Search InspectAPedia for BLEVE EXPLOSION to read details).

An on-site service tech will figure out if the problem is a bad control setting allowing overheating, bad starting water pressure, or a leaky relief valve.

On 2016-07-13 by Todd

Hi my buddy has a hot water boiler and water is coming out of the relief valve.Expansion tank has 12p.s.i.boiler is building up to much pressure this is the second relief valve.any ideas.

On 2016-01-24 by (mod) -

Danie

Residential boilers use an expansion tank that normally is filled with partly water and partly air. You should not release air nor change the tank's operating pressure. If the tank uses an internal bladder (such as AMTROL products) it should not need maintenance.

Climbing pressure in your boiler sounds like a different problem, a bad water feeder, pressure regulator, or a leak of water into the boiler from a tankless coil.

On 2016-01-18 by Danie;

my gas boiler has always been at about 15lbs pressure @ 160-180 degrees i noticed it recently at 30lbs .

I have a Vent Rite expansion tank the water enters the top the air value is on the bottom tapping on the tank from the top sounds like there is air on top when i get about an inch or 2 down it sound solid until i get to the rib , from the rib down sound like just air .

I depressed the air value slightly to see if there was any water in the tank below the bladder letting out a small amount of air there is no water there , unit has a armstrong 12psi automatic fill value ..I

drain the water down to 15psi but within a day or to it climes back up to 25-30 psi the pressure relief value is 30psi i'm surprised it has not opened

On 2016-01-09 by (mod) - 3 types of expansion tanks

1. expansion tanks on heating systems

absorb the pressure increase caused by heating water in a home heating boiler - for heating the occupied space - to avoid possible spillage at the relief valve

2. expansion tanks on hot water making systems

such as a gas, oil or electric water heater (geyser, cylinder) used to produce hot water for bathing or washing is used on some systems to avoid occasional high pressure surges that can cause relief valve spillage

3. water pressure tanks installed on a building water supply systems

are designed to deliver water to the building by using compressed air in the tank to push water into the building - when the tank and system pressure fall below the pressure pump cut-in setting the pump turns on to both re-pressurize the tank and to continue delivering water to the building.

On 2016-01-09 1 by KEN

Hi

What is the difference between a potable expansion tank (pressure aside) and a hydroponic heating system. Expansion tank.

Thanks


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