Hot water heating system expansion tank / compression tank troubleshooting guide:We provide a heating system expansion tank Troubleshooting & Repair Guide.

This article series provides a heating system expansion tank (compression tank) troubleshooting & repair guide.

Signs of Trouble with a Heating Boiler Expansion Tank

Expansion tanks on hot water heating systems can be divided roughly into two groups:

1. Older type bladderless heating system expansion tanks (atmospheric expansion tanks) and
2. Newer type internal bladder-type expansion tanks such as those sold by Amtrol Inc.

The behavior, maintenance, and sources of leaks or trouble are not identical with these two different types of compression / expansion tanks on boilers.

A modern internal bladder type expansion tank like this Amtrol Extrol tank (photo at left) is generally trouble free, and it's unusual for these tanks to fail. The Ex-Trol® is properly referred to as a pressurized diaphragm-type expansion tank.

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Both older non-bladder type expansion tanks and even modern (and much smaller) internal bladder expansion tanks can get in trouble.

But on occasion the internal bladder in one of these tanks could rupture or develop a leak. If that happens, because the tank is not field-repairable, the "fix" is to install a new expansion tank.

But far more often, it is older non-bladder type expansion tanks on boilers, like the one below) that become waterlogged.

What Happens if an Expansion Tank Becomes Waterlogged?

When the expansion tank is no longer able to absorb this initial pressure increase, it is possible that the heating system's internal pressure would exceed 30 psi - the typical point at which a heating boiler pressure/temperature relief valve will open to spill excess pressure.

If the relief valve is forced open in this manner the heating system will first lose water each time a heating cycle starts by heating up the boiler.

Then the heating system will take in makeup water (through the automatic water feed valve) each time the system cools down.

The result would be recurrent loss and then inflow of water through the boiler, increasing the risk of system corrosion as well as wasting water and possibly causing other damage or operating problems.

Watch out: spillage at the pressure temperature relief valve is potentially dangerous: eventually minerals in the water can clog a leaky relief valve, causing it to stop leaking - which might look ok but this means that the relief valve has become clogged - the boiler is operating without this critical safety device and an explosion could occur.

Shown above, an older style ceiling mounted atmospheric expansion tank on a hydronic heating boiler in Two Harbors, MN.

The drain valve shown at the left end of this expansion tank is a special valve that makes it easier for replacement air to enter the tank when the tank's water is being drained - a standard procedure during annual heating boiler maintenance. We describe that procedure separeately

at EXPANSION TANK DRAIN & AIR RE-CHARGE .

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Trouble signs that could be traced to a water-logged boiler expansion tank include:

• Water drips or spills from the pressure/temperature relief valve on the boiler, typically at every boiler run cycle. This means that if you see dripping at the pressure/temperature relief valve on a heating boiler, one thing to check is whether or not the expansion tank is working properly.
  
  We discuss relief valve leaks caused by expansion tank problems just below.
  
  See RELIEF VALVE LEAKS
  
  Watch out: a dripping or frequently spilling T&P valve is dangerous because those very leaks can eventually cause the valve to clog and then to fail to open when it should.
• Boiler pressure gauge reads higher than normal pressure. More than 30 psi on a typical residential hot water heating boiler is abnormal. Usually in a typical residential home the boiler operating pressure when it's up to temperature will be 20 to 22 psi.
  
  But before blaming the expansion tank, take a look at both the temperature on the gauge (it should be under 200 °F) and also the temperature settings on the aquastat.
  
  See AQUASTAT CONTROL FUNCTIONS
  
  If the temperature is over 200 °F. then don't rush to blame either the expansion tank or the relief valve - they're doing their job and something else is wrong, probably the aquastat setting.
  
  Next check the pressure-reducer water feed valve for the boiler. If the valve's diaphragm is damaged or leaky or if the valve is improperly set it may be feeding excessive water pressure to the boiler. Water hammer problems on the building water supply system can also foul-up the water feeder-pressure reducer.
  
  See WATER FEEDER VALVE, HYDRONIC BOILER
• Expansion tank has become heavy: as we will detail below, a waterlogged expansion tank will have gained weight.
• Water leaks out at the expansion tank air charge valve on an internal-bladder Extrol-type heating system expansion tank.

Also see HOT WATER PRESSURE EXPANSION RATE

How to Diagnose an Internal Bladder-Type Boiler Expansion Tank Needs an Increased Air Charge or Needs Replacement

Newer type heating system expansion tanks that use an internal bladder keep their water and air separated. These tanks should not need frequent service but might need a small additional air charge every few years, as we explained

at WATERLOGGED EXPANSION TANK.

But there are at least three possible conditions for which to check an internal bladder type expansion tank for trouble.

1. Internal bladder type expansion tank air permeation loss: If the expansion tank has not been functioning properly but on removal you don't find that there is water trapped inside the tank bladder (as described above), check the tank's air pressure.
   
   If the air pressure is below the factory-set pressure, or below the pressure that you previously set when the tank was installed, the tank may have lost its air charge over a period of several years.
   
   This tank may be perfectly serviceable if re-charged to proper setting. That's why we put this possibility first in the list.
2. Rapid air charge loss at the internal bladder expansion tank: When a bladder-type expansion tank has become waterlogged over a short interval it's most likely because the bladder has ruptured and the tank needs replacement.
   
   If the bladder has burst you will probably find that a little depression of the pin in the tank's air valve will send water squirting out of the valve - a sure sign that the tank bladder is burst and the tank needs replacement.
3. Pinhole leak failures in an internal bladder expansion tank: But what if no water comes out of the tank. There may still be a pinhole leak of water into the air space that has begun to consume air space in the tank.
   
   If the tank has been removed and drained through its point of connection to the heating system, and you then shake it or feel that it has gained weight over a new empty tank of the same size and model, and if you (possilbly) hear water or feel water sloshing around inside the tank bladder, then the pressure tank had a pinhole leak, water is in the bladder, and the tank needs replacement.

Additional Diagnostic Tests for a Waterlogged Heating Boiler Expansion Tank

The following tips are from Bell & Gossett's installation manual for pressure reducing valves and from their Airtrol Compression Tank [expansion tank] System Installation Manual [4][5].

Our illustration at left shows the typical location of a traditional conventional, non-bladder-type heating boiler expansion tank, and is adapted from that B&G manual.

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• Feel the temperature of the pressure reducer valve body: put your hand on the bell-shaped body of the pressure reducer or on the piping before and after the valve.
  
  If the metal is cold to the touch in those areas, then the valve is "passing water" into the heating boiler.
  
  This should not be happening if at the same time the heating boiler is already up to its operating temperature. Possible causes:
  • improper reducing valve pressure setting
  • a leak "downstream" from the pressure reducing valve, in the heating system piping or boiler or its controls
  • a faulty pressure reducing valve that is not closing when it should
• If the relief valve on the heating boiler periodically leaks or discharges water, on a hydronic heating system (hot water boiler) the expansion tank may be waterlogged - losing the "air cushion" intended to accommodate thermal expansion.
  
  A TPR valve may also leak or drip due to water hammer that occurs when circulators start or stop or some zone valve models open or close with a jolt.
  
  See RELIEF VALVE LEAKS for a catalog of reasons why TPR valves may leak along with some important safety warnings.
• Test for leaks at an internal-bladder type expansion tank: a tip for waterlogged expansion tanks that use an internal bladder is to pump a bit of air into the expansion tank, then put a dab of water (we recommend spit) on the opening of the air valve found on the bladder-type expansion tank. If the spit bubbles the valve is leaking.
• Test for waterlogged conventional (bladderless) heating boiler expansion tank: shut off the boiler for about 30 minutes to let the system cool down. Write down the heating boiler pressure that you can read on its gauge.
  
  Now turn the boiler back on and watch the pressure gauge.
  
  If in 8-9 minutes of boiler operation (we mean that the burner or heat source is operating) the pressure gauge at the boiler reads a pressure within 10% of the spill pressure of the pressure relief valve on the boiler then the expansion tank is surely waterlogged and needs to be drained and re-charged with air.
  
  B&G's instruction manual for this procedure is their Airtrol Instruction Manual S10300.
  
  See RELIEF VALVE, TP VALVE, BOILER

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Reader Q&A - also see RECOMMENDED ARTICLES & FAQs

On 2019-10-03 - by (mod) -

It's possible that your heating system was at an overpressure because of a waterlogged expansion tank in the first place. On a typical residential hot water heating system the system pressure in the boiler should be around 12 PSI when the system is cold. Take a look at the heating system pressures articles in the article index.

You shouldn't be needing to bleed air when you drain the expansion tank. If you have an air problem in your system it's a separate issue.

On 2019-10-03 by Lee

Shut off supply valve to expansion tank. Opened drain valve and air valve on tank. Drained tank. Closed both valves....opened supply valve to tank. .Water pressure in system dropped so added water until gauge read 20 Lbs of pressure.... Bled air from system. Pressure dropped from releasing air pressure...added more water until pressure read 20 Lbs. Turned on heat. After heating awhile pressure read about 25-26 Lbs of pressure and water was dripping out of relief valve

Relief valve is a 30LB relief valve. What have I done wrong. Should I have first bled air out of system then added water to bring pressure to 20Lbs then filled tank then bring pressure back up. I am concerned about the relief valve dripping

On 2019-06-16 by (mod)

Linda

The water pressure tank (it's not an expansion tank) smooths the pressure or delivery of water into the building and prevents short-cycling or rapid on-off pump operation. If the water pressure tank becomes water-logged, that is if it loses its air charge, then the pump may cycle on and off very frequently, even every few seconds. That would show up as "constantly and rapidly changing water pressure".

On 2019-06-16 by Linda

My water pressure keeps changing. Is this the expansion tank?

On 2015-12-25 - by (mod) -

Brian, sorry we were swamped.

InspectAPedia.com has articles on AIRBOUND HEATING SYSTEM REPAIR, but as heating controls nay be missing I'd suggest a heating co. Service csll too. Let us know how you made out.

On 2015-12-21 by brian

and by "emergency relief valve " i mean the valve on the side of the boiler itself that is the same look as the one on my electric water heater

i have a baseboard boiler system using natural gas. this summer copper thieves hit and i had to replace a number of lines. now when the system runs the downstairs heat zone will not warm up, i have bleed the lower section twice ( second time i just opened the pipe joint and let it run till clean water)

now all of a sudden the system has no, ZERO, pressure while running and the whole upstairs zone will not bleed. i removed the whole bleeder valve on 5 sections and no water or air comes out. pump is pumping water, boiler is up to temp just no pressure. also the expansion tank is heavy and sounds full of water.

i have had no leaks from the "emergency relief valve" and the system is hooked straight to city water with no pressure reducer. didnt know it was supposed to be there, copper thieves must have taken it. please help, too close to Christmas to have no heat!!

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