Fix an Air-Bound Hot Water Heating System
Air-bound heating baseboard or radiator repairs:
Here we explain how to remove unwanted, air from noisy or air-bound hot water heating system pipes, radiators, convectors, and baseboards using the automatic water feed valve on a heating boiler.
If a hot water heating system develops too much air in the piping you may hear bubbling or gurgling in the heating pipes when the heating system is operating, or worse, so much air may be in the heating piping, radiators, or baseboards that heat may simply not circulate at all.
If necessary there are additional methods used to remove air from air-bound hot water heating systems using two different service procedures to force air out of airbound pipes in a hot water heating system.
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We describe the procedure that a heating service technician may use to remove unwanted air in a hot water heating system in order to correct noisy gurgling pipes or to correct loss of heat due to an air-bound radiator, heating convector, or section of hot water heating baseboard.
If your hot water heating system has become air-bound (one or more sections of heating radiators or baseboards are staying cold even though the boiler is on and the circulator pump is running), and if your system does not have an air bleed valve to remove air blocking water flow, you probably need to call a heating service technician who will use one of the methods we describe here.
If your heating system does include both automatic and manual air-bleeder valves it is possible that you can correct a noisy or airbound heating system yourself.
See AIR BLEEDER VALVES where we explain how to find and use these to bleed air out of various spots in a hot water heating system.
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If some heating radiators or some sections of heating baseboards of your building are not getting hot, or if your building circulator pump runs continuously but heat is not being delivered to the heating zone served by that circulator, the discussion beginning
at AIR BLEEDER VALVES (just bleed air out of the system) and continuing here (how to forcer air out of the system) can help diagnose and cure that problem.
If you cannot bleed out unwanted air and if using the water feed valve method described here do not work, you'll need to
see AIR BOUND HEAT SYSTEM REPAIR by PUMP.
If your heating system is not working properly,
see NO HEAT - BOILER or NO HEAT - FURNACE.
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Here’s the problem, I have a one pump three zone hot water baseboard heating system.
The circulating pump keeps running even though there is not call for heat. This happens even in the summer, so I just shut the emergency switch off, but now, it’s getting cold and I want to turn the system on.
One of the zones does not get heat, so I replaced the TACO zone valve head thinking that was the problem.
Well, the pump is still running, and no heat even when the thermostat is set to 90. The furnace does not fire up either. I plan on eliminating the thermostat to see if the furnace would turn on by touching the two wires together, but saw your email and decided to write to you first.
The other two zones do heat up when heat is called. This is an American Standard system that was installed new in 1960. The pump has been changed a few times over the years. Any suggestions? - anonymous, Union NJ
Reply:
Your heating system baseboard, hot water piping, or one or more radiators may have become airbound if:
Your thermostat for the heating zone(s) involved is calling for heat, the boiler is hot, the circulator pump is running, but all or part of the heating zone served by that circulator pump is not getting hot. More than one problem could cause this symptom but below we list possible causes in order of probability:
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I just purchsed this home. Its heat is hydroponic with a cast iron boiler (oil fired). It seems to heat OK, but always we always hear water running and gurgling thru the pipes.
This is unsettling at night for my little girl.
Is this normal to hear these noises? The house was made in 1960.
HVAC guy wants 90$ an hour to come and bleed it. On 2018-01-24 by larry
by (mod) - try first the air bleeder valves, then read our airbound heat advice
Larry
If you hear water running in the heating pipes there is air in the system that needs to be purged. The risk is loss of heat from an air-bound system.When you pay your guy $90. to bleed the air you might want to also ask that the automatic air bleeders be left in working condition or that if they are not working they be replaced.
Details of how this repair is done are
at AIRBOUND HEAT - cold baseboards, radiators, noisy pipes
but in your case while there is air in the system there's not so much that it is totally blocking heat flow, it just makes those gurgling noises in the heating pipes.
Often the repair is as trivial and inexpensive as looseing the cap on an air bleeder valve or replacing an air bleed valve that is not working.
So before calling your HVAC guy,
read AIR BLEED VALVE LEAK REPAIR and take a look for these devices at your boiler and along the heating pipes, usually near the ends of heating baseboard runs. See if any of them are leaking and see if their little valve caps are properly loosened.
Aso see DIAGNOSE OIL HEAT NOISES for diagnosis and repair of other heating system noises on both oil and gas fired heating equipment.
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We use this procedure to remove air blocking heating water flow through baseboards or radiators when there is no convenient air bleed valve already installed on the airbound section of heating baseboard or radiator.
Of course if your heating system already has air bleeder valves installed on high sections of baseboard or radiators (higher hydronic heat delivery baseboards or radiators are the more likely ones to become airbound as air naturally migrates upwards to highest piping in the heating system) you should try opening one or more of those first to see if you can bleed out the air.
See AIR BLEEDER VALVES for more detail.
The following procedure is the more simple of the two we describe for correcting an air-bound hot water (hydronic) heating system, and it avoids the need to use pumps or to install extra service drains that may have been omitted on the heating system.
While this is the easiest and simplest procedure to remove air from an airbound heating system, you might not want to use this method if
In these cases see Procedure #2
at AIR BOUND HEAT SYSTEM REPAIR by PUMP.
Connect a garden hose to the boiler drain
and run the end of the hose outside or to a convenient indoor building drain. Open this drain.
Our photo (left) shows a typical boiler drain valve - this one has been leaking, as you can see by the stain on the floor and the mineral deposits on the drain valve.
All boiler drains have threads that accept a standard garden hose.
Contact us if you have other suggestions for improving this procedure. We are pleased to give credit and links to contributing reviewers, authors, or critics.
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Below you will find questions and answers previously posted on this page at its page bottom reader comment box.
What are you talking about above adding cold water to a hot system am I reading that wrong? - On 2022-01-08 by Bret
Reply by InspectApedia Com Moderator (mod) - Watch out: for risk of thermal shock damage when putting cold water into a boiler
@Bret,
Watch out: You are correct in implying that thermal shock caused by sudden addition of large volume of cold water into a very hot cast iron boiler could cause a ruinous crack in cast iron.
Adding water or using a pony
pump to force out air from an air bound system should start slowly so as to avoid that risk.
It's a widely used and successful step in the hands of trained technicians.
I had a new boiler put in. Now the water sloshes through the pipes. They have come and drained the air out twice, but it keeps coming back. What would cause this and how do you fix it? - On 2021-01-29 by Chris
Reply by danjoefriedman (mod) - fix sound of water sloshing in heating pipes
Chris:
Either the air removal process being used has been insufficient or there is a leak that's allowing more air into the system piping (and possibly water out).
I'd try the procedure on this page and I'd inspect every inch of the system for leaks.
I have a problem with 1 of my baseboards not heating up with a hot water system. I turn on the thermostat and let it go for 20 minutes. i check all the other baseboards upstairs and they are all heating up.
I go to the problem baseboard and open the air bleeder valve and only water comes out in a steady stream. I hear no air hissing. What do i do?
i should also add that the intake on the baseboard feels warm but the fins dont heat up. - On 2020-10-11 by Jimarac
Reply by danjoefriedman (mod) - some baseboards won't get hot
I'd be looking for an air blockage that's ahead of the section of baseboard where you report it not-heating. The article on this page describes more-aggressive forcing of air out of a hydronic heating system that we try when individual air bleeders along the baseboards are not solving the problem.
Of course you've already checked that there's no zone valve shut or circulator not running, right? If not some of the diagnostics suggestedat NO HEAT BOILER may help you out
I got to the point where no water and no air was coming out of my bleeders. "Airbound Heating System Relief Procedure #1 Using Water Feeder & Boiler Drain" worked perfectly.
I was worried about all the pressure going through my old system so I just cracked the feeder valve slightly. As soon as I did I could finally hear water running through the pipes. in seconds it went throughout the system and out the drain.
Outstanding... thank you On 2019-12-20 by Vinny
I failed to mention the outside wood boiler, (pacific western) isn't closed since all I have to do is put a hose in the open pipe on top. Now the leak it has in tank, would that cause issues? Shop has no problems I'm guessing because its on the uphill side. Thanks again. - On 2020-01-29
Reply by (mod) -Your airbound heat solution worked perfectly
Anon / Vinny
Thank you for an interesting question and discussion. I would very much like to help but frankly I don't understand enough about your system and its installation. It looks to me as if you understand the basic concept correctly which is do look for places that are could be grown into your hot water piping system.
If the hose Arrangement that you describe would allow are to be drawn in, that would certainly be a problem source.
I have installed a wood boiler (unpresserized) system, which is also heating a shop, to a closed (pressureized) hydronic floor heat system for the house/earth home.
The system in house works good for a week to 10 days then i have to pressurize it do to, what im guessing, air in the system. What do I need to fix this issue? Thank you. - On 2019-12-09 by Marvin
Reply by (mod) -
Marvin I can but make a wild guess as I know so little about the situation;
1. have you installed an air purge on the closed system - or perhaps more than one depending on the piping layout? Automatic air vents work well for minor air in hydronic heating water.
2. if the system is recurrently air-bound we need to find and fix the leak - air in and perhaps water out.
In the ARTICLE INDEX look at the articles on AIRBOUND HEATING SYSTEMS
There are just circulator pumps and no zone valves. There is some gurgling in the pipe/radiator system but goes away when individual radiators or baseboards are bled.
The 2 times that the circulator was air bound the problem was remedied by purging the system right at the circulator. This seemed to get water into the circulator and hot water would then pump through the system.
I have a 2 year old boiler using Taco circulators for 2 heat zones and hot water storage tank.
Each of the last 2 years when the thermostat called for heat for the first time after not having run all summer (except for personal hot water), the first floor circulator would run but not pump water.
I bled each (cast iron baseboard and radiator) on the first floor, which immediately spouted water, not any air.
I then went to the boiler, closing off the first floor return, connecting a drain hose and opening the drain petcock while opening the cold water quick fill valve.
Water flowed right away, seemingly without air. There is a Spirovent brass microbubble resorber on the supply line right out of the boiler and just before the first floor circulator. There is no noticeable leak or corrosion of any of these lines. Any thoughts? - On 2019-10-02 by Don
Reply by (mod) -
Because the problem is recurrent I'd
1. be sure that the air purger at the boiler is working - or replace it; also be sure it's properly located (high on the outlet side above the boiler)
2. install automatic or manual air vents higher in the building- at high end of high runs or rads or baseboards
3. take a close look at all accessible boiler connections and hot water heat piping for corrosion or other signs of leaks out - that might also be air-leaks-in when the system cools.
Silly? But i need to know this to diagnose a problem I am having with a new oil boiler i had installed . When a new oil boiler is installed do you have to add water to the the boiler to flow up through pipes and the flow to heating baseboards On 2019-02-26 by Melissa
by (mod) - Almost certainly, yes.
It's certainly not a silly question it's absolutely correct. When a new boiler is installed the entire system needs to be filled with water and all of the air in the piping and boiler needs to be purged. That would be the normal tasks of the installer.
This site saved me a lot of money time and heartache as a new/first time home owner! I always look things over here before calling a technician. Having this knowledge at hand with pictures and some basic tools and mechanical skills saves time and money.
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Many thanks for this clear and concise description of the issues surrounding possible air bound heating zones. I was able to figure out the one thing that had been preventing success in my bleeding efforts (not bypassing the pressure control going into the furnace water input). Once I bypassed it the air started coming out. Thanks!!! On 2017-10-12 by Francis A King
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Thank you for all the information! Just fixed my system following these methods. On 2016-10-28 by SomeDude
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