Roof Sag or Roof Collapse Forces:
How defects in roof framing or damage to roof connections or structural members lead to building damage & collapse.
Page top photo: this barn in Amenia, New York, demonstrates how plastic a wood frame structure may be as it deteriorates and before it collapses on itself. Our series of photos of collapsing buildings like this one we call "Bent Buildings".
This article series describes and illustrates the different types of support that prevents roof sagging and wall bulging at buildings, including definitions of collar ties, rafter ties, and structural ridge beams.
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This article describes & explains the directions of forces in roof structures, illustrating downwards force, horizontal thrust, and the causes of rafter sags, rafters that disconnect from the ridge or top plate, and why a sagging roof pushes the building walls outwards at the wall top.
We include photographs of collapsing wood-framed roofs and photo sequences showing the stages in a roof collapse as well as the direction of forces that bend and finally destroy a building.
We distinguish between sagging bending type building structure failures and collapses that fold building components in on themselves, and we illustrate the directions of forces in roof structures: downwards force, horizontal thrust, and causes of rafter sags, vesus rafters that disconnect from the ridge or top plate.
We explain why a sagging roof pushes the building walls outwards at the wall top.
Photo above: a catastrophic roof collapse of a 1940s building in Craryville, New York, now also overgrown by vines, photographed by the author in August 2024.
More about this building collapse is in the article below.
Watch out: collapsing roofs or structural damage from over-loaded or under-built roofs or other structural components can cause dangerous building collapses that can injure or even kill building occupants.
Watch out: also for increased horizontal thrust loads on low slope roofs - discussed in more detail below.
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Let's look a bit more at the collapsing roof and walls of the Amenia New York Barn as shown below. This is a gable-end view of the same bent sagging building shown at the top of this page.
The downwards load on the roof structure is combined of dead loads: the weight of framing, roof covering, and other things that might be mounted onto a roof surface, plus the live loads of snow, wind, water, and an occasional worker or animal clambering around on the structure.
These forces press downwards or in the case of strong winds, the force may combine both horizontal and downwards forces on the roof surface. How these forces are carried down to the foundation and ultimately to earth determines what happens to the roof and to the rest of the building structure.
Even without doing the engineering or the math, we can see in photos below what happens to a building wall and roof when its support is incomplete, lost, damaged or missing.
Let's press our imaginary thumb down on the roof of an old barn whose rafter ties have been cut out and carried off by someone who's decorating their Los Angeles apartment.
This horizontal load - or thrust - can be considerable, especially on a low-pitched roof.
To resist thrust, the IRC calls for a structural ridge (required for any roof with a roof pitch less than 3/12) or for each pair of rafters to be securely connected to each other [at the lower end of the rafter] by a continuous joist. (R802.3, 2006 IRC).
Code does allow joists [serving as rafter ties] to be installed above the top plate, but only under certain conditions.
Previous building codes permitted rafter ties to be placed as high above the plate as two-thirds the distance between the top plate and the ridge, but the 2006 IRC now limits this height to one-third the distance between the plate and the ridge (see footnote A, Table R802.5.1, 2006 IRC). (Truesdell 2008)
As the ridge sags down and the centers of the front and rear walls push outwards at the wall top, the photo above provides a graphic illustration of direction of the forces at work.
More examples of the direction of forces that push down on roofs and out on walls for low slope roofs are found in this article series
at COMPRESSION BRACING for RAFTERS (Canada).
Just below we trace a building's failure history through sagging roof to ultimate and total collapse.
Without the proper support of rafter ties or a structural ridge, a typical gable or sloped roof will sag downwards while pushing the building walls outwards towards a catastrophe.
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What happens if rafter ties are omitted and the builder simply frames rafters butting against a ridge board with or without collar ties but with no rafter ties nor ceiling joists?
Unless the building included a structural ridge beam the downwards loads on the roof rafters will cause the building walls to bulge outwards, most noticeably at the center of the walls, and the roof rafters will sag.
Our photo above shows a collapsing building at a farm viewed from the Southbound Taconic State Parkway in New York State, just south of I84. Today (2024) this building has collapsed and its debris removed completely, leaving only a cow pasture.
This structure is part of a study that I [DF] watched for years as the structure slowly settled to earth. More photos of the successive collapse of this house are given below.
Our sketch above illustrates that as the ridge sags the rafters, either also sagging or even if relatively-straight, will push out the top of the wall.
This modest farm house served as a home to farm workers probably from the 1930's until around 1960. I watched its condition from 1969 until its disappearance a few years ago.
As the roof ridge sagged downwards (red line and arrow), the centers of the front and rear walls of this little house bulged outwards, telegraphing that movement into the outwards lean of the front porch as the front walls of the home also pushed the porch roof outwards (blue line and arrow). Above in snow is the sagging roof and bulging wall story of this home in 2003.
By 2007 the front porch had collapsed, the roof had sagged further and the front wall leaned outwards precariously. In fact it's remarkable how plastic building materials can be when bent over a long timer.
By 2011 the roof and most of the structure had collapsed (below).
And the next year, in 2012 this little house finally bit the dust, or I could say snow-dust (below).
Today all traces of the building have been removed and the cows seem to have wandered off as well.
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While most of the photos shown above on this page show how wood frame buildings and some other structures can deform by bending slowly, usually into an arced or curved shape, in some cases the building roof folds in upon itself, as we see in this collapsing house photo from Craryville, NY (August 2024).
We call building collapses like the one above "folded buildings" or "folding collapses" because the roof has folded inwards at and collapsed downwards from the roof's ridge.
Often a folding collapse of a structure happens over a much shorter time interval, sometimes as a single event.
Looking over a portion of this building complex that was still standing we see several construction details that might contribute to a building's collapse, including
Really? Above we describe visual clues suggesting questionable building practices that might contribute to a collapse by looking at a portion of the building that has not collapsed - it's still upright.
It's more-difficult to find these clues in the rubble of the building remains at this site at which the building folded inwards upon itself.
Building structures may fold inwards (as at the roof above) or outwards - un-folding (as shown below).
Below: This small barn has collapsed, folding-out, or if you prefer, "un-folding" its roof structure that then fell atop the remains of the building walls and foundation.
I think that this building's walls failed before the roof structure, perhaps due to a combination of snow loading and rotted or damaged wall or foundation, then the roof "un-folded" and spread out as it fell to the bround.
At ROOF SLOPE DEFINITIONS we comment that this photograph illustrates a roof whose slope has become irrelevant after the building collapsed.
I suspect the very low-slope roof in the photo above was a bit steeper before the building fell in, and that the connections of its rafter ties to the rafter ends were inadequate or failed from rot or insect damage to the structure.
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The snow loaded roof collapse that occurred in Duluth in 2023 presents a third example, different from slow bending or even fast folding: here was total rapid catastrophic collapse.
In March 2023, a section of roof collapsed on the Miller Hill Mall, Duluth MN, as was widely reported in the state.
The photo below, adapted from a new report by Corin Hoggard from Fox 9 News on 14 March 2023 illustrates a snow load collapse.
OPINION: Considering that this was a very specific and neatly-rectangular section of roof that collapsed out of a much larger flat roofed shopping mall, one might expert forensic structural collapse experts to find contributors to this sudden collapse such as errors or omissions in connections or support in this area, or some other factor that caused higher weight of snow loading in this roof section than its neighbors.
Watch out: when there is deep snow accumulation on a building roof, particularly if followed by rain, the combination of the added weight of water held on the roof as now wet snow may significantly increase the risk of a collapse.
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Also see these studies of roof failures due to snow loading
The United States has a rich history of snow load studies at the state and national level. The current ASCE 7 snow loads are based on studies performed at the Cold Regions Research and Engineering Laboratory (CRREL) ca. 1980 and updated ca. 1993.
The map includes large regions where a site-specific case study is required to establish the load. Many state reports attempt to address the "case-study regions" designated in the current ASCE 7 design snow load requirements.
The independently developed state-specific requirements vary in approach, which can lead to discrepancies in requirements at state boundaries. In addition, there has been great interest to develop site-specific reliability-targeted loads that replace the current load and importance factors applied to 50-year snow load events as defined in ASCE 7-16.
This interest stems from the fact that the relative variability in extreme snow load events is not constant across the country, leading to a non-constant probability of failure for a given design scenario.
This report describes the creation of a modern, universal, and reproducible approach for estimating reliability-targeted design ground snow loads for the conterminous United States.
This new approach significantly reduces the size of case-study regions as currently designated in ASCE 7-16 and resolves discrepancies in design snow load requirements that currently exist along western state boundaries.
Excerpt from Project Aims:
The final product of this project is a modern, universal, and reproducible approach for generating design ground snow loads for the conterminous United States.
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As our editor Amy's photo illustrates below, a leaning column whose job was to support a porch roof and possibly porch floor structure as well may risk a serious structural collapse at this home in Great Falls, Montana (August 2024 - A.C.).
The porch column has leaned badly to the right.
We don't have a view of the porch and porch roof structure, but we do have a clue that may help explain why this porch column base is leaning so terribly to the right.
Notice the long downspout extension running off to the right in our photo?
Spilling roof runoff can undermine a column pier or footing, leading to the leaning disaster coming from the conditions in this photo.
More about the worry of leaning structural columns is
at SETTLING or MISSING COLUMN FOOTINGS or Piers
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Straighten Sagging Roof Structure, Surface, or Rafters
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Below you will find questions and answers previously posted on this page at its page bottom reader comment box.
On 2023-07-09 y Aime M. - Damaged truss joints, sagging, over-spanning: repair options
Hello. I have a leaning truss problem in my house (1972, 30'x40', 2x4 trusses, 4.5/12 pitch?).
The trusses are poorly segmented (joints are unsupported) and are overly spaced (30" c.).
I am going to correct some sag in the joists then rafters by sistering full length (16') and larger members (2x8 and 2x6) supported by the existing strucutral walls and beams.
However I noticed that all the rising members of the trusses are leaning between 7/8" and 1-1/4" from plumb in the center (about 64") which seemed a lot but is around 1° out of plumb if you do the math. The trusses are braced with tongue and grove pine board over the entire roof as well as underneath the trusses or ceiling joists. There are no blocks or bracing between the trusses other than that.
I have read on your site that correcting this kind of lean could cause further problems, especially if the structure has set over time and caused no problems so far, which seems to be my case.
I did imagine using two prop jacks placed evenly, extended at 9 ft. at a low angle from joist to ridge, and slowly bring the entire roof back. I don't know how well this would work.
I may have answered myself after writing this up, but I'd like to have your insight.
Thank youOn 2023-07-09 by InspectApedia Publisher (mod)
@Aime M.,
Thank you for a key truss structure question.
OK first accept my whining apology that
1. AlthoughI have a lot of experience with inspecting and repiaring damaged buildnigs, I'm not a truss engineer
and
2. I can not see a single thing, not one iota of detail, at your house.
So what I can offer is general arm-waving advice.
That apology made,
- you understand that with truss construction the risk is a sudden collapse of a structure
- my main worry when fooling with trusses, assuming no one has modified them and none are broken or actually missing, is with the truss plate connectors. Mis-handling during construction (or occasionally later events) can cause those thin steel pressed-on connector plates to come loose.
Some photos and examples are at TRUSSES, FLOOR & ROOF https://inspectapedia.com/structure/Floor_or_Roof_Trusses.php
Even a small amount of "loose" truss connector is a serious compromise in critical structural members.
That's what's behind my warnings that you read about jacking our pushing etc. - so I figure we're in agreement.
I'd look closely at every connector on every truss - post some representative photos (one per comment) of what you see, especially if you see some damaged or loose or separated connectors.
If there are no such concerns, and if you want to add strutural support alongside or independent of what's already there, properly-done that ought not to hurt anything and might be good for some peace of mind.
On 2023-03-08 by Scott j Roberts - How serious is a slight outwards lean of a building supporting wall?
I have a building (56x24) standard 2x4 construction with a rafter roof, 2x12 on 24" centers. I installed rafters ties (2x8) on 96" centers but did not put them in the lower 1/3 from the bottom.
I am in the process of redoing the rafter ties in the correct location on 48" centers. the building has been up for 20+ years with no noticable sag in the roof line (7/12 pitch)
I have noticed a slight outward lean on my side wall.
I am guessing about 3/4" over the 8' length.
Should I be concerned about this amount of lean and should I pull the wall in before I secure the new rafter ties.
Reply by InspectApedia Editor (mod)
@Scott j Roberts,
Thanks, that's an interesting wall-lean repair question.
I'm not sure your measurement of wall lean, presumably leaning out at the wall top, perhaps because of the roof load, is enough to tell the story.
It's not just horizontal bulge but it's more outwards lean of the wall out of the vertical that's of interest.
And it's the amount of movement that I'd attend. If by close inspection you are confident that
- no structural connections are damaged, separated, pulled apart
- no electrical wiring or devices have been moved, damaged, and thus need a safety check or repair
- no plumbing or other mechanical system components have been disturbed,
then in my OPINION (I'm not a structural engineer but I'm experienced with framing and building repairs) I would add the rafter ties as you discuss but I'd not try to pull the building more-straight and plumb. In my experience it's difficult to straighten a building that has bent and taken a "set" into a new position, without at the same time causing new stresses and possible damage.
On 2022-05-30 by Lisa Pagana - OK to leave a bowed wall or do I have to pull it back into place?
Our 150 year old 2 story balloon frame barn has a back wall that is bowed out about 4 inches.
I think it is because the collar ties have been removed from the roof. If I replace the collar ties can I leave the bowed wall as is or do I have to pull the wall back in to it’s original shape?
Reply by InspectApedia-911 (mod)
@Lisa Pagana,
Thanks for a great bowed wall framing repair question.
I have seen bowed walls pulled straight and then reinforced and framed to resist future bending, but where that was most-successful it was in brand new construction, and done early before the framing was more set and deformed.
I have seen other askew buildings that broke and cracked and suffered plenty of damage, including my own childhood home, when builders tried to straighten it out after it had set bent for decades.
Any such efforts on an older structure probably have to proceed slowly and with great care.
And yes, PROVIDED the structural and any mechanical system connections throughout can be found and seen to be intact, you may leave the walls bowed.
If you can sufficiently brace and stiffen the structure, you may in fact have to leave the bowed walls as-is. When wood framing deforms over time it's very difficult to pull it back straight and square: there's risk that bowed top plates, for example, simply break when pulled back in line.
Of course we're trying to see your home through a blindfold. An onsite expert ought to be able to make site-specific observations and suggestions.
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