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Diagnostic questions and answers help diagnose heating oil burner noise, smoke, and odors. How to diagnose loss of heat, heating boiler noises, leaks, odors, or smoke.
These questions and answers can help you diagnose and fix heating oil burner noise or sound complaints.
This article series describes the cause and cure for just about any noise that you might hear at or near an oil burner, where it comes from, what it means, and what needs to be done about it.
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Oil Burner Start or Stop Noise Question: oil burner Whoomph noise & smoke at startup or shutdown
I changed the oil burner nozzle, now it smokes when firing;
Our oil fired furnace is smoking - do I need a repair?
Oil burner making a rumbling noise at shutdown;
Riello F3 oil burner is producing black smoke out of the chimney at startup
Whoomph sound at oil burner startup
I just changed nozzle on my furnace. I "snugged it" as instructed by tech at plumbing supply house, used metal gage to properly gap electrodes, reinstalled all and it appears to be running fine, except that a small amount of smoke is coming from the barometric damper every time the unit is in firing mode. Suggestions? - Jim 1/14/12
Just finished a boiler rebuild and heating system recommissioned and working fine. When the furnace starts the start up noise is different from the previous noise. The only way I can describe it is that the noise is more of a whoomph which stutters 3-4 times. Could that be too little air supply?
I have not had the flue gases checked yet, can't get a technician with a test gauge for a few weeks yet. Any ideas? - Ian 2/11/12
My oil burner, Riello F3, fairly new, produces black smoke out the chimney on startup. It was tuned up when it was installed.
However, I just noticed that the Air settings and the turbulator setting is far off from that recommended in the boiler manual for that burner and nozzle. What causes the black smoke? Is it normal? - J.L. 10/1/12
I have rumble noise on oil burner shutdown, starts and runs fine - Dennis 11/28/12
Our oil furnace is smoking do I need a repair man out to the house? - Kim 11/30/12
Reply: things to check when the oil burner smokes or is noisy at startup or shutdown
J.L., Ian , Dennis & Kim:
Watch out: if you're hearing an explosion noise or a loud WHOOMPH noise I suspect that there is a smoky oil burner that is headed for a very messy and potentially dangerous puffback.
I suggest calling our heating service company, discuss with them what you are seeing, and schedule a service call accordingly.
Also, if you over-tightened the oil burner nozzle onto its mounting head you may have stripped threads between those parts. I did that (only once) and had a heck of a time figuring out what was wrong.
When you strip threads at the nozzle (typically steel, mounting in a brass nozzle line adapter) the result is oil at 100-140 psi spraying out around the leaky mount when the oil burner is running, and smoky burner operation;
if you see that problem (try starting the system briefly with ignition off so you can look for oil spray) you will have to replace the nozzle line adapter as well as nozzle.
Ian and Dennis,
Try installing a quick stop valve at the oil burner. Search inspectApedia for OIL LINE QUICK STOP VALVE to read details.
A quick stop valve makes sure that the oil supply stops cleanly when it should, which often will cure the rumbling noise you describe.
If you do not fix the problem the risk is an accumulation of unburned oil in the combustion chamber (left at shutdown) that is ignited at start-up, leading to our next warning:
Question: how can I quiet down my noisy oil burner assembly?
I have a WeilMcClain Oil burning with current specs: 77.5% efficience 8% CO2 Cleaned and tuned every season I can only guess the burner is approximately 20 years old +-
My concern is the increased roaring sound during burn ( The burner is used for heating only). In past years I've heard the burner run quite a bit quieter and, in fact, my tech whom I've had visit twice says everything is fine.
The smell of oil is noticeable whenever I turn up the thermostat. I am sure both the roar from the burner along with the specs can be improved ( you've heard that before from a layman).
What questions would you recommend I ask the tech and/or is it time to look for a new burner and serviceman?
Safety concerns are firsthand every time I fire up the burner.
Thanks-M., Gloucester MA. 1/13/2013
Reply:
Ask the heating service tech to give an opinion about the cause and meaning of the noise you hear.
Some noises may be due to improper and even unsafe burner operation such as a dirty system, dirty heating system, misadjusted oil burner, simply the choice of nozzle type, loose parts that are likely to lead to a heating system failure, some other operating defect we've not listed,
Watch out: or in most extreme case, chimney fire (an immediate hazard in which case you should leave the building, turning off heat if you can safely do so, and call the fire department) .
The fact that you smell heating oil suggests that the heating system is not working properly; there are several ......
Even in the case of an oil burner that is properly cleaned, tuned, and adjusted, choice of settings (for example oil line pressure) and oil burner nozzle type can cause changes in the sound of the burner.
Also as a rule, newer high-speed (3450 rpm) oil burners are more noisy (and more efficient) than older low-speed (1725 rpm) oil burner assemblies. In some cases the service technician might try a different oil burner nozzle (such as the Monarch AR for "anti rumble") to see if that helps with noise reduction.
In sum I agree with your priorities:
safety first
proper and efficient operation second
convenience and quietude third
For a system that is operating safely and properly but for which noise remains a problem I'd look at
Noise and sound control measures such as identifying sources of noise transmission in to the building (e.g. an oil line secured to the underside of floor joists)
Noise & sound insulation: by providing an outdoor combustion air supply often it's possible to close off a boiler room and even to provide fire-proof sound insulation on its walls and ceiling.
Question: oil burner noisy after an oil delivery
(Jan 31, 2018) Barry said:
Just had our tank filled and now making noise that it didn't before,
Reply:
(Jan 31, 2018) (mod) said:
Barry
There could be a burner operating problem if your oil tank was nearly empty and contained water or sludge that were stirred up by the oil delivery.
See if the noise is coming from the oil burner and look for soot, smoke, rumbling - if so, call your heating service company.
The system could need an oil filter and nozzle changeout.
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Below you will find questions and answers previously posted on this page at its page bottom reader comment box.
It is possible that I am not understood your question correctly, but in general it's normal for a burner to turn off and back on more than once during a heating cycle on a hot water or boiler heating system.
That's because often the burner can put heat into the boiler fast enough that it gets ahead of the heat transfer from radiators or baseboards into the home.
On 2020-11-13
by Teri
I have a Rheem furnace with a Beckett Gun/Burner assembly. What would cause it to ignite up to 3 times during a heating cycle?
On 2019-12-07 - by (mod) -
Barbara
We need some on-site diagnosis. The "rattle" at your old Riello burner could simply be a loose connector, coupling, bolt, etc. that can just be tightened.
Watch out: however; if what you are describing as "rattling" is actually improper burner or flame operation then the system is both unreliable and unsafe, and needs diagnosis and repair by a heating service technician.
On 2019-12-04
by Barbara
Riello Burner 40F3 is 6 years old and its starting to get a rattling noise.
On 2019-10-17 by (mod)
- What would make the oil burner vent damper rattle?
Great question George
The draft regulator or barometric damper flapper door might jiggle and rattle around for several reasons including:
- rough or bad oil burner start-up (risking more serious even unsafe burner operation such as a developing PUFFBACK)
- wind gusts over a chimney where the chimney cap is lost or damaged
- vibration in the heating equipment from another cause
- worn loose damper parts
On 2019-10-17
by George
Why would make the damper rattle?
On 2019-04-13
by (mod)
- suffering from neighbour's noisy boiler
Katherine
If your neighbour doesn't mind their high heating bills that might ensue from using a higher gpm oil nozzle than necessary on their oil burner,
If your neighbour doens't mind that their system noise may mean that it is not adjusted properly, wasting fuel or even possibly ultimately leading to a puffback explosion
and if your neighbour doesn't mind a very noisy heating system themselves,
then what's left for you to do?
Perhaps improve the sound-proofing between the buildings: (it's not inexpensive) by changing to noise-resistant windows, adding sound insulation in the wall nearest the neighbour, and finding and fixing any flanking pathways that noise follows into your bedroom.
See SOUND CONTROL in BUILDINGS https://inspectapedia.com/BestPractices/Sound_Control_in_Buildings.php
On 2019-04-13
by Katharine
I am suffering terribly from next doors boiler noise. It wakes me every time it starts up and I hear it throughout my bedrooms and in the garden. A very large extractor nossel was fitted close to our boundary high on their wall.
Neighbour says nothing can be done !
This has gone on for several years, but now I’m unwell and have sleep problems this is causing me much distress. We live in very quiet village where there is minimal sound normally except birdsong early in the morning!
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[1] Brumbaugh, James E., Audel HVAC Fundamentals, Volume 2: Heating, Audel [J Wiley]; All New 4th Edition edition (July 2, 2004)
ISBN-10: 0764542079
ISBN-13: 978-0764542077, quoting from the product description,
This fully revised guidebook covers everything you need to know to install, maintain, and repair the components that run, regulate, and fuel both old and new systems. From oil burners and steam line controls to the newest chip-based technology and environmental regulations, Volume 2 helps you keep the heat on.
* Install and repair thermostats, humidistats, automatic controls, and oil or gas burner controls
* Review pipes, pipe fittings, piping details, valve installation, and duct systems
* Find new calculations and environmental guidelines
* Learn the best ways to handle hydronics and steam line controls
* Deal with solid fuels and understand coal firing methods
* Refer to data tables with conversions, formula cross-references, and manufacturers' lists
The Audel HVAC Library
Vol. 1: Heating Systems, Furnaces, and Boilers
Vol. 2: Heating System Components, Gas and Oil Burners, and Automatic Controls
Vol. 3: Air Conditioning, Heat Pumps, and Distribution Systems
[2] Beckett Corporation, 38251 Center Ridge Rd.,
North Ridgeville, OH 44039 440-327-1060 Email: sales@beckettcorp.com supplies residential and commercial oil burners for boilers, furnaces, and water heaters - see www.beckettcorp.com/
[3] Audels Oil Burner Guide, Installation, Servicing, Repairing, Frank D. Graham, 1947 edition (obsolete, out of print). See Brumbaugh, James E. Audel HVAC Fundamentals, Volume 2: Heating or see various versions of this guide available in editions from 1947, 1950, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1965, 1967, and at prices from around $3.00 to nearly $70.00 - useful for simple, clear, but not current, explanation of how heating equipment works. The original retail price was $1.00. Used copies are available
[4] A Total Look at Oil Burner Nozzles, available from Delavan Fuel Metering Products, a reference guide for oil burner service technicians, Delavan Spray Technologies, Fuel Metering Products Division, PO Box 969, Bamberg SC 29003, Tel: 800-982-6943 or 803-245-4347, ( Delavan is a division of BF Goodrich); web search 12/30/2010, original source: http://www.delavaninc.com/pdf/total_look.pdf
Note & disclosure: when we (DF) were servicing oil burner equipment, Delavan nozzles gave us such excellent results, especially using hollow cone spray patterns in solving combustion problems, that this brand was our standard stock-item on our truck. Other brands of oil burner nozzles are of course also of excellent quality. It is the proper matching of nozzle size and type and spray pattern to the equipment that is critical.
[5] Fuel Nozzles for Oil Burners, Technical Aspects of Applications, E. O. Olson, Chief Engineer (deceased)
Delavan Fuel Metering Products Operation, Bamberg, South Carolina, Delavan Fuel Metering Products, a reference guide for oil burner service technicians, Delavan Spray Technologies, Fuel Metering Products Division, PO Box 969, Bamberg SC 29003, Tel: 800-982-6943 or 803-245-4347, ( Delavan is a division of BF Goodrich); web search 12/30/2010, original source: http://www.delavaninc.com/pdf/Fuel_Nozzles_for_Burners.PDF
[6] Domestic and Commercial Oil Burners, Charles H. Burkhardt, McGraw Hill Book Company, New York 3rd Ed 1969.
National Fuel Gas Code (Z223.1) $16.00 and National Fuel Gas Code Handbook (Z223.2) $47.00 American Gas Association (A.G.A.), 1515 Wilson Boulevard, Arlington, VA 22209 also available from National Fire Protection Association, Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02269. Fundamentals of Gas Appliance Venting and Ventilation, 1985, American Gas Association Laboratories, Engineering Services Department. American Gas Association, 1515 Wilson Boulevard, Arlington, VA 22209. Catalog #XHO585. Reprinted 1989.
[7] The Steam Book, 1984, Training and Education Department, Fluid Handling Division, ITT [probably out of print, possibly available from several home inspection supply companies] Fuel Oil and Oil Heat Magazine, October 1990, offers an update,
[8] Principles of Steam Heating, $13.25 includes postage. Fuel oil & Oil Heat Magazine, 389 Passaic Ave., Fairfield, NJ 07004.
[9] The Lost Art of Steam Heating, John Doe [Dan Holohan], 516-579-3046 FAX, at Amazon.com>
[10] Principles of Steam Heating, Dan Holohan, technical editor of Fuel Oil and Oil Heat magazine, 389 Passaic Ave., Fairfield, NJ 07004 ($12.+1.25 postage/handling).
[11] Principles of Home Inspection: Steam, Electric & Wall/Floor Heating, Carson Dunlop Associates, at Amazon.com>
[13] "Residential Hydronic (circulating hot water) Heating Systems", Instructional Technologies Institute, Inc., 145 "D" Grassy Plain St., Bethel, CT 06801 800/227-1663 [home inspection training material] 1987
[14] "Warm Air Heating Systems". Instructional Technologies Institute, Inc., 145 "D" Grassy Plain St., Bethel, CT 06801 800/227-1663 [home inspection training material] 1987
[15] Heating, Ventilating, and Air Conditioning Volume I, Heating Fundamentals,
[16] Boilers, Boiler Conversions, James E. Brumbaugh, ISBN 0-672-23389-4 (v. 1) Volume II, Oil, Gas, and Coal Burners, Controls, Ducts, Piping, Valves, James E. Brumbaugh, ISBN 0-672-23390-7 (v. 2) Volume III, Radiant Heating, Water Heaters, Ventilation, Air Conditioning, Heat Pumps, Air Cleaners, James E. Brumbaugh, ISBN 0-672-23383-5 (v. 3) or ISBN 0-672-23380-0 (set) Special Sales Director, Macmillan Publishing Co., 866 Third Ave., New York, NY 10022. Macmillan Publishing Co., NY
[17] Installation Guide for Residential Hydronic Heating Systems
[18] Installation Guide #200, The Hydronics Institute, 35 Russo Place, Berkeley Heights, NJ 07922
The ABC's of Retention Head Oil Burners, National Association of Oil Heat Service Managers, TM 115, National Old Timers' Association of the Energy Industry, PO Box 168, Mineola, NY 11501. (Excellent tips on spotting problems on oil-fired heating equipment. Booklet.)
[19] Crown Serviceman's Handbook: Ignition Electrode Assemblies, Terminals and Cable, Tools and Accessories, Crown Engineering Corporation, Marlboro, NJ 07746 [1986]. This publication includes oil burner troubleshooting diagnostic suggestions reprinted with permission of Fuel Oil & Oil Heat Magazine.
[21] The Wholesaler's & Installer's Guide to OEM Oil Specifications, R.W. Beckett Corporation, PO Box 1289, Elyria, OH 44036, 216-327-1060 [1988] This publication gives the model, burner type, air tube combination, head type, static plat dimensions, blower wheel dimensions, and oil burner nozzle type for just about ever manufacturer and model of oil fired heating equipment including Addison Products, Axeman-Anderson, Bard Manufacturing, BDP, Borg-Warner, Boyertown Furnace, Burnham, Carrier Corp., Clare Brothers, Columbia Boiler Co., Crown Industries, Dornback Furnace, Ducane, Dunkirk Radiator, Duo-Matic/Olsen, Electric Furnace-Man, Ener Royal Technology, Energy Kinetics, Everhot All-Corporation, F.P. Industry, Fraser-Johnston, Heat Controller, Hydrotherm Inc., Johnson Corp., Lochinvar, Logwood-Marathon Heater, Inc., Longwood Furnace Corp., Luxaire, Magic Chef, Melvin Manufacturing Corp., Metromatic Mfg. Co., Miller Heating & A/C, Modine Manufacturing, Newmac Manufacturing, New Yorker, Oneida Heater, Peerless Heater, Perfection Products, Pow-R-Matic, Inc., Reznor, Rheem Manufacturing, Ruud, Slant/Fin, H.B. Smith, State Industries, Tekton Corp., Teledyne Laars, Thermo Dynamics, Thermo Products, Trianco, Inc., Ultimate Eng., Utica Boiler, Vallant, Van Wert Manufacturing, Weil-Mclain, Williamson Co., Wise, Inc., XXth Century. But believe it or not this is not the whole list of manufacturers from the 1970's and 1980's. Reference [22] below includes a still longer list.
[22] Burnham Heating Helper, [heating system design & layout in a mini booklet], Burnham Corporation, PO Box 3089, Lancaster PA 17603, Tel: 717-481-8400, 9th printing, 7/01
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[1] Beckett Oil Burners, "Burner Motor Service Facts", Beckett Corporation, Technical Information, 15 June 1989 [copy on file as PDF].
[2] "Noise and Moisture, Using scare tactics” may be necessary when installing a new heating system", George Lanthier, Fuel Oil News, M2MEDIA360, 1030 W. Higgins Road Suite 230, Park Ridge, IL 60068 847-720-5600
02/1/2006. According to Fuel Oil News, George Lanthier owns Firedragon Enterprises and is the author of nine books on oil heating and heating systems. He is a teaching consultant and expert witness on oil heating systems. He can be contacted at 132 Lowell Street, Arlington, MA 02474-2756. His phone number is (781) 646-2584 and he can be faxed at (781) 641-7099. He can also be contacted through his Web site at www.FiredragonEnt.com.
Wiring & Oil Burning Equipment, George Lanthier
The Cmr 4.00 Guide: a Detailed Guide to the Massachusetts Regulation on Oil burning Equipment, George Lanthier
[3] Domestic Central Heating Wiring Systems and Controls, Second Edition, Raymond Ward
Domestic and Commercial Oil Burners, Charles H. Burkhardt, McGraw Hill Book Company, New York 3rd Ed 1969.
Principles of Steam Heating, Dan Holohan, technical editor of Fuel Oil and Oil Heat magazine, 389 Passaic Ave., Fairfield, NJ 07004 ($12.+1.25 postage/handling).
Heating, Ventilating, and Air Conditioning Volume I, Heating Fundamentals,
Boilers, Boiler Conversions, James E. Brumbaugh, ISBN 0-672-23389-4 (v. 1) Volume II, Oil, Gas, and Coal Burners, Controls, Ducts, Piping, Valves, James E. Brumbaugh, ISBN 0-672-23390-7 (v. 2) Volume III, Radiant Heating, Water Heaters, Ventilation, Air Conditioning, Heat Pumps, Air Cleaners, James E. Brumbaugh, ISBN 0-672-23383-5 (v. 3) or ISBN 0-672-23380-0 (set) Special Sales Director, Macmillan Publishing Co., 866 Third Ave., New York, NY 10022. Macmillan Publishing Co., NY
Installation Guide for Residential Hydronic Heating Systems
Installation Guide #200, The Hydronics Institute, 35 Russo Place, Berkeley Heights, NJ 07922
The ABC's of Retention Head Oil Burners, National Association of Oil Heat Service Managers, TM 115, National Old Timers' Association of the Energy Industry, PO Box 168, Mineola, NY 11501. (Excellent tips on spotting problems on oil-fired heating equipment. Booklet.)
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