Chimney cleanout doors & openings:
This article describes chimney cleanout access doors or ports. We explain that in addition to using the chimney cleanout as a service port to remove debris that has fallen to the bottom of a masonry chimney, the cleanout door and the type of debris found inside can tell us something about the condition of the chimney flue even though we cannot see most of it.
These articles on chimneys and chimney safety provide detailed suggestions describing how to perform a thorough visual inspection of chimneys for safety and other defects. Chimney inspection methods and chimney repair methods are also discussed.
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Where you can find a chimney cleanout or can remove a flue vent connector to look into a flue, use of a mirror inside the flue to view the flue from below.
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This is by no means a thorough and accurate view of all of the chimney flue interior. But if the chimney was constructed as a straight flue up through the building roof, you should see daylight - otherwise the flue has become blocked, perhaps with nesting animals or collapsing debris.
Our photo (left) will provide an easy view into this section of the chimney flue. But even before opening the chimney cleanout door we can see that there has been a history of leaks inside of the chimney flue.
All chimneys must have a cleanout at least 12" below the lowest appliance inlet opening. A fireplace is considered as access for cleaning. Cleanouts must have metal or pre cast concrete doors that can be secured tightly
In the photo at above left, the chimney cleanout is easy to find and the door is in place and closed; look inside for clues of flue damage and also for the presence of a flue liner if this is a single-brick wythe flue.
In the photo at above right the home made cleanout door was a metal scrap propped against the chimney. It has fallen open, and we see some masonry debris that has fallen down the flue.
We found this chimney cleanout door (shown above) ajar. Failure to close the chimney cleanout door can result in a fire and will certainly interfere with good draft in the flue.
This chimney cleanout access port served a common ash dump below both a fireplace flue and a separate heating appliance chimney flue.
We found this chimney cleanout pouring water into the building basement during a heavy rainstorm.
See CHIMNEY CAP & CROWN DEFINITIONS for chimney top sources of water leakage.
But in the case of the water leak shown our photo most likely the water source is from roof spillage onto the ground or surface runoff on the ground around the chimney base.
A combination of in-slope grade around the chimney base and leaks into the chimney can be detected by noticing water or creosote leak stains around the chimney cleanout opening even if you don't have the good luck to catch water in the act of entering the building.
Our photo above illustrates this condition - brown rust and creosote stains below the cleanout access opening. This chimney and its rain cap and cap seal need further inspection as may the flue itself.
Watch out: water damage to a chimney flue may leave the chimney unsafe.
Using a one-gallon plastic bottle (photo below) as a means of sealing off a chimney cleanout opening (photo at left, Poughkeepsie, NY) is nothing less than stupid.
The fire hazard is greater below a fireplace where burning embers may fall into the cleanout pit, but this expedient is not recommended in any case.
Do not use a combustible material in the construction of chimneys or flues.
Masonry Flues & Clay Tile Lined Flues: If you open a chimney cleanout-door or pull the flue vent connector from a dead end chimney flue, in either case you are looking at the very bottom of the chimney flue. If you are inspecting a masonry chimney, be alert for discovery of masonry fragments when inspecting or cleaning the bottom of the flue.
If a piece of brick, masonry block, concrete, or clay flue tile liner is pulled out of your chimney, ask "where do you suppose this came from?" If the masonry scrap fell during construction of the chimney it may mean nothing.
But if it fell because the chimney has been damaged, perhaps by water, frost, or during cleaning, then you probably have an unsafe chimney flue - more investigation is in order, promptly.
Certainly if you believe that the masonry scrap found at the bottom of a flue fell during original construction, and if you remove it during cleaning, you should never find another piece in the flue bottom.
If you do, the flue has been damaged anew and it is unsafe
Our photo shows normal chimney creosote and debris at the bottom of a flue. When removing this material be alert for surprises such as fragments of clay flue tile liner.
If the chimney cleanout access door is blocked such as by an installed appliance (a water heater in our photo at left) how is someone going to access the flue for inspection or cleanout?
Wait a minute? What's that sitting on the horizontal surface at the top of our photo?
Has an abandoned chimney been partly removed? It is possible that this is an offset access into a common ash pit.
In some constructions multiple chimney flues may terminate in a single large ash pit with one or more individual cleanout doors.
We suspect that this is an improper design, making regulation of draft among the chimneys difficult, since any individual flue that begins to draw may pull air down and into itself from a neighbor
If the chimney cleanout door is closed using a permanently-mounted component such as shown in our photo you've got a clue that work was not done by a professional.
This chimney cleanout closure may be fireproof (really?) and it may stop a draft problem, but it violates the readily-accessible and operable chimney cleanout door requirement.
Even a factory-built insulated metal chimney needs to include a cleanout access port.
Here, shown during installation, you can see that this metal chimney includes a removable cleanout door at the bottom of the tee used to turn from horizontal to vertical in the chimney run.
This photo of a metal chimney cleanout port was taken during construction - the required drywall (and an access cover through the drywall if the chimney is enclosed) were not yet installed.
Watch out: opening a cleanout at the bottom of a vertical chimney run like this can spill a horrible mess of ash and debris - be prepared, or better, if the horizontal run to the tee is short, vacuum and clean the chimney first through the horizontal chimney run. - Photo courtesy Galow Homes.
In this photo (left) the chimney cleanout is easy to find but isn't that door missing? No not in the first photo at left of this pair of photographs of chimney cleanout doors.
But look carefully at the second photo. Even though a cleanout door is installed, masonry has fallen out above the door, giving an opening right into the flue.
A missing chimney cleanout door or any other hole in the flue means that there is a fire safety hazard (sparks or ashes falling out onto the basement floor) and also that it is impossible to control the draft in the flue.
Watch out: Where the hole in a chimney is lower than or below the flue vent connector joining the heating appliance to the flue, there is also a serious problem with draft control as well as the risk of sparks or embers falling out of the flue into the interior of the building where they may cause a fire.
Where you can find a chimney cleanout or can remove a flue vent connector to look into a flue, use of a mirror inside the flue to view the flue from below. This is by no means a thorough and accurate view of all of the chimney flue interior.
But if the chimney was constructed as a straight flue up through the building roof, you should see daylight - otherwise the flue has become blocked, perhaps with nesting animals or collapsing debris.
We have found heating boilers with draft problems and "repair attempts" like removing the boiler's barometric damper, when all the while the root problem of bad chimney draft was that the cleanout door was open or missing.
Watch out: Our photo (left) shows a chimney thimble blocked by falling debris. If you find this much trash at the bottom of your chimney or at any other chimney opening, you need an expert to evaluate the chimney condition and safety as soon as possible.
The chunks of masonry debris make it likely that the chimney in our photo at left is in very poor condition and is unsafe.
Reader Question: 11/29/2014 Dazy said:
I have a gas insert now in my old fireplace... may I , and HOW, can I fill the old Chimney cleanout because I get a lot of cold draft from it?
If there is not already a screened chimney cap over the flue serving the abandoned fireplace, and if there is safe easy access to the rooftop or if you can arrange for service by a chimney sweep, placing a solid cover over the chimney top has the advantage of keeping animals from nesting in the chimney and also protecting it from future rain and water damage.
From inside the fireplace be sure that the fireplace damper is un-damaged (not broken, missing, perforated by rust) and place it in the closed position.
At the chimney cleanout door some readers describe using a high temperature silicone sealant (caulk) or high temperature refractory cement to seal off the door. I appreciate the inclination for that simple approach but worry that some work would be needed in the future should it be necessary to return the old flue to service or to access and clean out the chimney base.
If you do decide to seal around the door, clean the surfaces of loose rust and dirt. Then wipe the surfaces clean of remaining dust before applying your bead of high temperature silicone exterior grade sealant around the edges of the cleanout door. That way the sealant can be easily cut away if future access is needed.
Watch out: be sure that your new gas-fueled fireplace insert is installed according to the manufacturer's specifications, all of them, including provision of combustion air and as required, exhaust. A gas fireplace that is not properly installed can produce dangerous, even fatal carbon monoxide gas. Be sure that you have working CO detectors properly installed.
Watch out: before sealing a chimney cleanout door shut, be sure that the door serves only the chimney or flue that is being abandoned.
Some chimneys use a common cleanout area in the base of a chimney that contains multiple flues.
In that case you can't seal the door as it is still needed, but you can improve the door's sealing closure by making sure it fits tightly and if necessary adding a thin coating of silicone on the door face and its meeting surface on the door frame. Let the silicone sealant dry on those surfaces before closing the door and returning the chimney to service.
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(Sept 10, 2011) Do I need cleanout doors? said:
I have two cleanout doors--the ash cleanout from the fireplace. (I never use that cleanout) and the cleanout door for the heating area, which I also don't use. (The gas furnace and gas water heater both go directly into the flue). So I'm wondering--do I need EITHER of these doors or can I seal them up? Thanks!
As long as the cleanout doors are properly fitted, snug, not leaky, they're not interfering with draft, and should be left intact to permit chimney inspection.
(Oct 24, 2012) grant said:
i have a wooden enclosed fireplace. in the attic three sides are closed the one facing the interior has been left open . do i need to enclose it as well. if so what material do i use?
I am unclear on what you're describing, Grant. A "wooden" enclosed fireplace sounds to me like kindling designed to set a house on fire.
If you mean you have a zero-clearance metal fireplace enclosed in a wood structure or chimney chase, that can be safe provided the installation followed the manufacturer's installation instructions, including fire safety clearances (and of course complied with local codes).
I'm unclear on what was left open in the attic and what was enclosed and of course we don't know what type of chimney was installed. So I'm too chicken hearted to recommend specific steps or materials for an installation I know so little about.
Watch out: for safety I suggest asking your local building department of fire department to inspect this installation for safety and code compliance.
(Feb 26, 2014) Anonymous said:
I was told to fill clean out area with insulation to stop draft?
Is that correct?
Anon I'm unclear what area you plan to fill with insulation but this does not sound like a safe, recommended treatment of a chimney. See my inspection recommendation for the reader just above.
(5 Oct 2014) Nathan Miller said:
I have a fireplace with a chimney that slopes about thirty degrees above the damper towards the outer wall of the chimney, leaving it very difficult to clean debris above the damper.
This space is about four feet from my chimney flue. Now I have installed a cleanout door on the outside of the chimney, twelve by twelve. My glue is eleven by eleven. I put fire brick on the wall where part of the flue liner was broken out. Now my question, do I need to insulate the clean out door somehow?
This question was originally posted at ANGLED CHIMNEYS
Chimney cleanout doors are not normally insulated - and I'd be worried lest someone try doing so, especially if they applied a combustible material.
But you do want to be sure the door closes tightly so as not to subvert the chimney draft.
(Nov 29, 2014) Dazy said:
I have a gas insert now in my old fireplace... may I , and HOW, can I fill the old Chimney cleanout because I get alot of cold draft from it?
Dazy I moved your question and our reply into the article series above at
SEALING a CHIMNEY CLEANOUT DOOR
so that I had more room for a detailed reply. Let me know if question sremain.
(Dec 16, 2014) D.Burrows said:
We have a gas furnace in a furnace room, connected to an exterior brick chimney below grade. the chimney clean out door from time to time water appears on its ledge. Would the be condensation from the chimney? or another problem.
You or your chimney sweep will need to open the cleanout door to answer this question; if the chimney is flooded from outside water sources that's a different topic from condensation running down the flue.
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