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Metal chimney flue fire hazards:
This article describes various metal chimney & vent hazards which can be detected indoors in buildings: unsafe fire clearances, improper chimney slope, wrong materials, metal flues which are not continuous and excessive angular offset in metal chimneys, making them clog-prone and difficult to clean.
Other indoor damage or hazards involving metal chimneys include mechanical damage, rust, and improper installation.
The buyer of a commercial strip plaza with 2 apartments above was required to obtain an inspection of the apartments only by the bank.
Normally commercial properties are not always required to have a pre-purchase building inspection, but this lender demanded that at least the rental apartments be inspected. That decision may have just saved some lives.
The seller purchased and installed a [used] gas fired radiant heater from a second hand outlet. The unit was installed by the seller, who did not pull permits, did not get an inspection by city officials or the fire dept, and did not install C/O detectors in the rental units, as required by law since 2006. (CO DETECTION OPTIONS and CO ALARM CAUSES )
The heating unit was installed with single wall vent pipe, through a wall without the required wall thimble that prevents contact with combustibles. [Photos above]
The vent pipe enters attic space [below left], this requires double wall pipe to prevent condensation, and not only was there no double wall pipe, the installer used metal flex pipe and he went down out the soffit instead of up through the roof.
The vent pipe was in direct contact with old dried balloon framing [photo above right], with personal storage, and clothes. When I observed the set up I was stunned. I made it very clear that this heating unit is a very dangerous set up and can very easily cause a fire, and deadly carbon monoxide levels to accumulate. (FIRE CLEARANCES INDOORS)
The unit should be disconnected, and installed by a licensed heating contractor.
More questions about this gas heater installation
In addition there appears to be an immediate and lethal carbon monoxide hazard. We are guessing from the photos that this unit vents by natural draft. That is, there is no power vent.
But look at the slope on the metal chimney running through the attic: it slopes down rather than up - if this is natural-draft heating equipment there will be no draft - a condition that produces dangerous carbon monoxide that can quickly prove lethal. (CARBON MONOXIDE - CO)
We also had a question about the flue vent materials; if aluminum material was used there are additional hazards and code violations.
Carson Dunlop's sketch shows a metal chimney that is not continuous from the heating appliance up through the roof.
An installer may install a metal flue through only part of the building, deliberately as shown in the sketch, thinking that the heat from the indoor section of the metal chimney will give extra heat to the upstairs in the building.
The result is a hybrid chimney with two flues which are offset from one another.
Not only is it difficult to clean these hybrid flues but the risk of creosote build-up and a chimney fire is increased.
Excessive Offset from Vertical in Metal Chimneys
Carson Dunlop Associates [at REVIEWERS] sketch below shows a metal chimney that has excessive offset in it travel upwards between the heating appliance and the roof.
The allowed angular offset in a chimney is as much as 60 degrees in some but not all jurisdictions.
As with our description of discontinuous metal chimneys above, a concern is with creosote build-up n the elbows and also in the sloped section of the chimney.
(Aug 23, 2014) Dino said:
Wood stove requires 27 inches between vent pipe and combustable. Does that require the pipe from the roof through the ceiling have that clearance or can it be closer and use elbows to get out to the 27 inch? It will be at least 18 inches away from the wall at the cathedrial ceiling.
You'll want to use a "zero clearance" ( which may mean one-inch) insulated metal chimney for passing through combustible materials such as ceilings, walls, roofs. Check with your local fire marshall or code inspector too. Wood stove installations require a permit and inspections in most jurisdictions. As soon as you call for help you've got the inspector on your side where s/he may have other helpful tips for meeting code and avoiding a fire.
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Thanks to Luke Barnes for suggesting that we add text regarding the hazards of shared chimney flues. USMA - Sept. 2008.
Arlene Puentes, an ASHI member and a licensed home inspector in Kingston, NY, and has served on ASHI national committees as well as HVASHI Chapter President. Ms. Puentes can be contacted at email@example.com
Roger Hankey is principal of Hankey and Brown home inspectors, Eden Prairie, MN, technical review by Roger Hankey, prior chairman, Standards Committee, American Society of Home Inspectors - ASHI. 952 829-0044 - hankeyandbrown.com
NFPA #211-3.1 1988 -
Specific to chimneys, fireplaces, vents and solid fuel burning appliances.
NFPA # 54-7.1 1992 -
Specific to venting of equipment with fan-assisted combustion systems.
Gas Appliance Manufacturers' Association has prepared venting tables for
Category I draft hood equipped central furnaces as well as fan-assisted
combustion system central furnaces.
National Fuel Gas Code, an American National Standard, 4th ed. 1988 (newer edition is available) Secretariats, American Gas Association (AGA), 1515 Wilson Blvd., Arlington VA22209, and National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), Batterymarch Park, Quincy MA 02269. ANSI Z223.1-1988 - NFPA 54-1988. WARNING: be sure to check clearances and other safety guidelines in the latest edition of these standards.
Fire Inspector Guidebook, A Correlation of Fire Safety Requirements Contained in the 1987 BOCA National Codes, (newer edition available), Building Officials and Code Administrators International, Inc. (BOCA), Country Club HIlls, IL 60478 312-799-2300 4th ed. Note: this document is reissued every four years. Be sure to obtain the latest edition.
Uniform Mechanical Code - UMC 1991, Sec 913 (a.) Masonry Chimneys,
refers to Chapters 23, 29, and 37 of the Building Code.
New York 1984 Uniform Fire
Prevention and Building Code, Article 10, Heating, Ventilating, and Air Conditioning Requirements
New York 1979 Uniform Fire Prevention & Building Code, The "requirement" for 8" of solid masonry OR for use of a
flue liner was listed in the One and Two Family Dwelling Code for New
York, in 1979, in Chapter 9, Chimneys and Fireplaces, New York 1979
Building and Fire Prevention Code:
"Top Ten Chimney (and related) Problems Encountered by One Chimney Sweep," Hudson Valley ASHI education seminar, 3 January 2000, contributed by Bob Hansen, ASHI
"Rooftop View Turns to Darkness," Martine Costello, Josh Kovner, New Haven Register, 12 May 1992 p. 11: Catherine Murphy was sunning on a building roof when a chimney collapsed; she fell into and was trapped inside the chimney until rescued by emergency workers.
"Chimneys and Vents," Mark J. Reinmiller, P.E., ASHI Technical Journal, Vol. 1 No. 2 July 1991 p. 34-38.
"Chimney Inspection Procedures & Codes," Donald V. Cohen was to be published in the first volume of the 1994 ASHI Technical Journal by D. Friedman, then editor/publisher of that publication. The production of the ASHI Technical Journal and future editions was cancelled by ASHI President Patrick Porzio. Some of the content of Mr. Cohen's original submission has been included in this more complete chimney inspection article: InspectAPedia.com/chimneys/Chimney_Inspection_Repair.php. Copies of earlier editions of the ASHI Technical Journal are available from ASHI, the American Society of Home Inspectors.
Natural Gas Weekly Update: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/ngw/ngupdate.asp Official Energy Statistics from the U.S. Government
US Energy Administration: Electrical Energy Costs http://www.eia.doe.gov/fuelelectric.html
Books & Articles on Building & Environmental Inspection, Testing, Diagnosis, & Repair
Ceramic Roofware, Hans Van Lemmen, Shire Library, 2008, ISBN-13: 978-0747805694 - Brick chimneys, chimney-pots and roof and ridge tiles have been a feature of the roofs of a wide range of buildings since the late Middle Ages. In the first instance this ceramic roofware was functional - to make the roof weatherproof and to provide an outlet for smoke - but it could also be very decorative.
The practical and ornamental aspects of ceramic roofware can still be seen throughout Britain, particularly on buildings of the Victorian and Edwardian periods. Not only do these often have ornate chimneys and roof tiles but they may also feature ornamental sculptures or highly decorative gable ends. This book charts the history of ceramic roofware from the Middle Ages to the present day, highlighting both practical and decorative applications, and giving information about manufacturers and on the styles and techniques of production and decoration.
Hans van Lemmen is an established author on the history of tiles and has lectured on the subject in Britain and elsewhere. He is founder member and presently publications editor of the British Tiles and Architectural Ceramics Society. Available at the InspectAPedia Bookstore.
Chimney & Stack Inspection Guidelines, American Society of Civil Engineers, 2003 - These guidelines address the inspection of chimneys and stacks. Each guideline assists owners in determining what level of inspection is appropriate to a particular chimney and provides common criteria so that all parties involved have a clear understanding of the scope of the inspection and the end product required. Each chimney or stack is a unique structure, subject to both aggressive operating and natural environments, and degradation over time. Such degradation may be managed via a prudent inspection program followed by maintenance work on any equipment or structure determined to be in need of attention. Sample inspection report specifications, sample field inspection data forms, and an example of a developed plan of a concrete chimney are included in the guidelines. This book provides a valuable guidance tool for chimney and stack inspections and also offers a set of references for these particular inspections.
NFPA 211 - 3-4 - Clearance from Combustible Material
NFPA 54 - 7-1 - Venting of Equipment into chimneys
Brick Institute of America - Flashing Chimneys
Brick Institute of America - Proper Chimney Crowns
Brick Institute of America - Moisture Resistance of Brick
American Gas Association - New Vent Sizing Tables
Chimney Safety Institute of America - Chimney Fires: Causes, Effects, Evaluation
National Chimney Sweep Guild - Yellow Pages of Suppliers
Carson, Dunlop & Associates Ltd., 120 Carlton Street Suite 407, Toronto ON M5A 4K2. Tel: (416) 964-9415 1-800-268-7070 Email: firstname.lastname@example.org. The firm provides professional home inspection services & home inspection education & publications. Alan Carson is a past president of ASHI, the American Society of Home Inspectors. Thanks to Alan Carson and Bob Dunlop, for permission for InspectAPedia to use text excerpts from The Home Reference Book & illustrations from The Illustrated Home. Carson Dunlop Associates' provides extensive home inspection education and report writing material.
The Illustrated Home illustrates construction details and building components, a reference for owners & inspectors. Special Offer: For a 5% discount on any number of copies of the Illustrated Home purchased as a single order Enter INSPECTAILL in the order payment page "Promo/Redemption" space.
TECHNICAL REFERENCE GUIDE to manufacturer's model and serial number information for heating and cooling equipment, useful for determining the age of heating boilers, furnaces, water heaters is provided by Carson Dunlop, Associates, Toronto - Carson Dunlop Weldon & Associates Special Offer: Carson Dunlop Associates offers InspectAPedia readers in the U.S.A. a 5% discount on any number of copies of the Technical Reference Guide purchased as a single order. Just enter INSPECTATRG in the order payment page "Promo/Redemption" space.
The Home Reference Book - the Encyclopedia of Homes, Carson Dunlop & Associates, Toronto, Ontario, 25th Ed., 2012, is a bound volume of more than 450 illustrated pages that assist home inspectors and home owners in the inspection and detection of problems on buildings. The text is intended as a reference guide to help building owners operate and maintain their home effectively. Field inspection worksheets are included at the back of the volume.
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