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DIRECT VENTS / SIDE WALL VENTS
DRAFT REGULATORS, DAMPERS, BOOSTERS
FIRE CLEARANCES INDOORS
FIREPLACES & HEARTHS
FLUE VENT CONNECTORS
MASONRY CHIMNEY GUIDE
METAL CHIMNEYS & FLUES
SAFETY RECALLS CHIMNEYS VENTS HEATERS
SOOT AT CHIMNEY TOP
STAIN DIAGNOSIS on BUILDING EXTERIORS
WOOD, COAL STOVES & FIREPLACES
Flue vent connector specifications & fire clearances: this article describes flue vent connectors used to connect heating appliances to a chimney in order to safely deliver combustion gases to a chimney for venting outside the building.
Flue vent connectors are not the same thing as a chimney and they have their own safety and installation requirements including slope, materials, diameter, and clearance from combustibles. Our page top photo shows three separate heating appliances, each with its own flue-vent connector, connecting into (what we hope are) three individual flues in a masonry chimney.
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Definitions of Chimney, Factory-Built Chimney, & Flue Vent Connector
Because some readers may be confused about the difference between a "chimney" and a "flue vent connector" we include some simple definitions below. On our illustration at left we have marked the chimney, chimney flue, and flue vent connector - adapted from a Carson Dunlop Associates illustration used later in this article.
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These definitions are important because the construction, use, and safety requirements as well as building codes and standards and fire clearances are different for these different components.
Flue vent connectors for "B" or "L" Vents: A vent connector connects gas equipment to a flue or chimney. Appliances having draft hoods and installed in an attic or concealed space must use Type B or L connectors. Appliances installed in basements can use Type B or Type L or metal pipe (.0304" thick) or aluminum pipe (.012" thick). Gas fired equipment should not be connected to any flue serving solid fuel appliances.
Multiple gas vents into a single flue: Where two or more vent connectors enter a common gas vent, chimney flue or single wall metal pipe, the smaller connector shall enter at the highest level consistent with available headroom and clearance to combustibles. Avoid unnecessary bends and secure all joints with sheet metal screws or other approved means.
Watch out: Debris falling down a "dead end flue" easily blocks the flue vent connection and chimney (illustrations below). The result can be rapid and fatal
Carson Dunlop's sketch (above) shows fallen bricks blocking the bottom of the flue so that even where a "dead end" flue was not constructed - that is, where a chimney cleanout was installed - falling debris can so fill up the chamber at the bottom of the chimney flue that the effect is the same: a blocked chimney flue and the production of carbon monoxide.
A blocked flue case study is reported
Carson Dunlop's sketch shows what happens if the flue vent connector is jammed too far into the chimney flue.
Draft may be blocked, resulting in improper and potentially dangerously unsafe heating equipment operation.
For example, inadequate draft on a gas fired appliance makes the production of potentially fatal carbon monoxide gas likely.
The symptoms of this mistake are about the same as a blocked flue, and like a blocked flue, the diagnosis requires some disassembly and inspection of the flue vent connector and chimney by an expert.
It's easy to spot an improperly-joined flue vent connector pair of sections: you will often see stains from leaks oozing out at the section joints.
Horizontal vent length limits: The horizontal length of a vent connector to a natural draft chimney or vent serving a single draft hood appliance shall not be more that 75% of the height of the vertical portion of the chimney above the connector. [NFPA 1992 (7.10.10)]. We show some long flue vent connector runs at
The maximum horizontal length of vent connectors per the GAMA tables is limited to 1.5 feet per inch of diameter with a provision of a 10% reduction in capacity for each multiple of the length permitted. The venting tables must be consulted to size an adequate venting system.
Watch out: allowable flue vent connector length calculation can be a bit more complex than that rule of thumb, as the Q&A below illustrates.
Our photo shows a very long dead flue vent connector joining a heating appliance to a dead end chimney.
Reader Question: is there a Simple rule that relates allowable horizontal flue length and flue vent diameter?
What is the maximux allowable horizontal length of a category 1 appliance vent connector in feet for each inch of its diameter. - S.W.
Reply: Not quite so simple, here are the factors that determien allowable horizontal flue length:
From your question, a simple, straight answer on allowable flue length per inch of flue diameter is not quite possible. Take a look at the National Fuel Gas Code NFPA 54, or ANSI Z223.1, for example, Tables G, and you'll see that the tables consider the following factors that set the allowable horizontal flue length or run:
An example (from a 1988 copy of the National Fuel Gas Code):
a 6" diameter Type B double wall connector with a 15' lateral run and a 15' high chimney can vent 198,000 BTUh of capacity.
So a simplistic equation that gives allowable horizontal distance of a flue vent connector or vent expressed in feet per inch of diameter simply would be wrong and potentially unsafe, risking a carbon monoxide or equipment operating problem.
You will want to consult the proper tables either in one of the codes or in the heating equipment manufacturer's equipment installation procedures (the manufacturer would be expected to have the final say).
Reader Question: what's the code on distance and clearance for metalbestos chimneys & vents vs oil storage tanks?
I am installing a pellet boiler and will need a second metal chimney as I am leaving my oil burner as a backup. I live in maine. The only place I would like the metal asbestos chimney would run 40” away from my oil tank. Do you know what the code is on this? I am having a heck of a time getting any answers regarding this? - R. B. Windham ME 2/27/2014
Reply: heat flue vent length maximum distances vs. clearance distances from oil tanks or other building features
R.B. If you are asking about the chimney itself, insulated metal chimneys typically require a one-inch clearance from combustibles.
If you were asking about the distance or run length for the flue vent connector between the chimney and the heating appliance, that's a different story.
Suppose we wanted to run across an entire building from the heater to the chimney: the maximum horizontal length should not be more than 75% of the chimney height above the vent connector, or 100% if the chimney is insulated. So to cross a 40 foot basement from a heater to a chimney you'd need a chimney at least 40 feet tall for the system to vent properly by natural draft. But an option that may work acceptably in that case is to include a draft inducer fan such as the type made by Field Controls.
Carson Dunlop's sketch (above left) shows a loose flue vent connector at the chimney. This is one of the most common chimney and venting defects we observe in buildings.
This defect can often be seen by careful visual inspection of the flue vent connector at the chimney. Our photo (above right) shows our client pointing to a flue vent connector that was not sealed at the chimney thimble.
The results of a loose or leaky vent connection at the chimney include inadequate chimney draft (unsafe heater operation) and leakage of potentially dangerous combustion gases into the building.
We suspect that the root cause of this unsafe metal heating flue is that it was routed out of the building at or below ground level - into a dead-end chimney.
Water from roof spillage or surface runoff have rusted out the flue vent connector.
This is an unsafe installation even before we think about the added hazards of fire clearances and adequate draft.
This flue vent connector (photo at left) has rusted through from water leaking down the chimney into the vent connector elbow.
On an oil-fired system we expect soot to blow out of this opening at system startup and during the system run cycle the opening may interfere with proper system draft. The opening leaves a fire risk should a spark blow out of this opening.
On a gas-fired system a flue vent connector with a rust hole increases the chance of inadequate draft and dangerous carbon monoxide release in the building.
This flue vent connector elbow,rusted through with a large hole, needs to be replaced and more, we need to identify and repair the source of water leakage into the chimney that caused this damage.
Metal flue vent connectors such as shown in Carson Dunlop's sketch should:
Continue reading at FIRE CLEARANCES, SINGLE WALL METAL FLUES & VENTS or select a topic from the More Reading links shown below.
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Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)
Feb 8, 2012) Martin D'Amico said:
I would appreciate it very much if you could provide me with a source to find a chart of smoke pipe diameter vs. amount of BTU's that can be vented though it. Thank you so much, Marty
Martin D'Amico, email: martin.da said:
Sorry I forgot to add my email, Marty
Feb 8, 2012) DanJoeFriedman (mod) said:
Marty, the idea of a flue size chart is a good one and we'll work on it. But we also answer your question at the article link "Flue Sizing of Chimneys" (links at page left & at More Reading above).
Question: Seal the flue vent connector to the chimney
(Mar 30, 2012) Chuck said:
I have a flue pipe extends from the chimney entrance to within 6 inches of the floor. The flue pipe is open at the bottom to the atmosphere at the bottom. About halfway between the chimney connection and the floor the flue pipe "T"s. At the "T" the flue pipe runs horizontal over to a residential boiler and a water heater. Is the opening at the bottom of the flue pipe a problem?
(June 19, 2012) Scott said:
What is the proper way to seal a flue vent to the chimney in the case that it's loose? Is using high-temperature caulking or hydraulic cement acceptable?
Scott, some installers use simple cement to seal the flue vent connector into the chimney, and that will work fine, but if the flue vent connector becomes corroded or damaged and needs replacement it's a bit of work to remove it. Instead, you can use a heat resistant fireproof sealant ( a replacement for asbestos-based paste or lagging) sold at heating service suppliers.
I would not use high temnperature caulk - with oil fired equipment at least, the potential temperatures may well exceed the rating of the caulk.
Question: curved flue not up to code?
(July 22, 2012) Patricia said:
I am searching for a heating system for my home of 900 square feet. I have gotten a few bids and one contractor said my flue is not up to code and would not pass inspection. He said it's because the flue has a curve instead of being straight. Is there any way I can verify this before I spend a lot of money on extra equipment? He wanted @5K as opposed to a contractor who said he would maintain my flue. I am at a loss about this.
Patricia, it sounds as if you need an independent inspection from someone who is not selling anything for you to be confident in the diagnosis - either an independent certified chimney sweep, a professional building inspector, or possibly even your local building or fire department.
Question: loose flue vent connector & crumbling chimney
(Oct 23, 2012) ryan said:
my furnace and hot water heater are connected to my chimney, the pipe from the hot water heater is loose and the chimney is crimbled a little around where the pipe was attached what product can i use to patch around the pipe to secure it
Ryan, you can chisel out a little bit of the mortar around the pipe. In other words, make it even looser. Then patch it with Vinyl Concrete Patcher. Using some wire mesh (called "hardware cloth")is also a good idea because it provides the patching compound something to grab. Alternatively, if the opening around the pipe is very thin, you could simply squeeze in some FireProof Caulk, usually sold at HVAC supply stores.
Question: complex chimney, leaks, cleaning, safety? backflow prevention?
(Nov 30, 2012) Steve said:
I have a complicated chimney structure in the center of my house- 2 fireplaces, a gas hot water heater, a gas boiler for hydronic heat, and an exhaust fan from a bathroom. We've noticed that there is often a smoky smell that comes into the house when I burn the main fireplace. My chimneysweep guy suggested that it's probably because my flue vents are too close together, and that the fireplace is drawing hard enough that I'm getting backflow through one of the other vents- if I had to guess, I would guess it's the 6" round vent and giant mushroom hood on the 1965-era boiler.
So my question: is there some kind of backflow preventer valve that I can have installed by a qualified HVAC pro on the exhaust hoods for the furnace and / or the water heater?
If your chimney guy means that the fireplace is creating negative pressure in the house, the solution would be to provide outside combustion air for the fireplace when in operation.
It's a trivially easy claim to verify,mjust open a window nearest the fireplace
But what confuses me is that if the fireplace draft were causing a backdraft you'd be drawing combustion gases from your gas fired heating equipment - which would not smell like a fireplace, and worse, could kill everyone with CO.
So first, make sure you have working and properly placed CO detectors as well as smoke detectors.
Question: removed aluminum vent pipe
(Dec 18, 2012) Jeff H. said:
I removed the old aluminum vent pipe that travels 6 feet horizonally, then 22 feet straight up our chimney. The old pipe appeared to have had a hole cut at the bend - perhaps for condensation to drain into the bottom of the chimney? Should I have put a similar hole in the vent pipe I installed?
First off - good move removing aluminum flue vent connecting pipe. Aluminum should NEVER be used as a flue vent connector for heating equipment - it is unsafe as well as a code violation.
I agree that we don't want condensation running back into the furnace or boiler heat exchanger, but I think I'd investigate the chimney venting & design to see if we can solve the problem properly - a professional chiomney sweep inspecting the flue and chimney might advise, for example, insulation in the old chimney flue poured around that tall metal flue pipe extension that I infer (guess) was added to cope with either an unafe chimney or one that was oversized for the heating appliance. In other words, I'd feel you were safe if you got some expert advice. I don't generally see drilled holes in flue vent connectors as the solution to a significant condensation problem. Producing condensate, even if you drain it in some funky way, means flue vent connector and metal flue corrosin and short life and possible safety worries.
Question: hot closet wall
(Jan 5, 2013) Micah Weger said:
One of my walls in my bedroom closet is hot to the touch. After reading this website I suspect that behind the drywall is the flue pipe. We have been running the heat a lot the last few months and the heater is right below our bedroom closet. Is this normal? Should I have an HVAC contractor check it out. If I were to open up part of the wall (the hottest part) what should I be looking for?
Micah I can't say from your email what's normal and what's a fire hazard.
Watch out: because there could be a fire hazard you should have your chimney inspected by a certified professional chimney sweep - promptly, and before even thinking about cutting, opening, or repairing.
Question: new fireplace won't fit into opening, CO hazards?
Oct 3, 2014) Anonymous said:
We have a new fire that wont fit into the new fire place despite 2 builders and a gas safe chap planning this. We had to scaffold half the house to put a flue liner and rebuilt the chimney now the gas man wants us to take it all out again as fire exhaust connector is 1 inch too high to fit into the back box in the chimney. The connecter is app 4 inches square but seems to connect to a much wider and thinner exhaust the other side of the back plate above the burners. can we adopt the outlet making it a different shape but at least the same area. and we can easily make it bigger in area but will that affect anything especially CO levels
Watch out: sorry to be such a chicken, but as life safety hazards are involved here and we have so little information the only safe reply is to have your installation inspected by a trained, certified heating or chimney professional before using the equipment. Doubtless you know that a permit and building inspection are also required.
Question: patch a small chimney hole
(Oct 5, 2014) leslie said:
There is a small hole in the cement of the chimney where the oil burner pipe goes in.What do i use to patch this one inch hole.
A non-combustible flue opening sealant cement sold by heating suppliers is used to seal the flue vent connector to the flue.
Question: how to patch a larger hole in a chimney
Thanks for all the great information. At the base of the brick chimney where the flue vent connectors for the oil burner and gas hot water heater enter the chimney, there is a missing piece of brick about 4" x 4" x 4" in triangular shape between and to the side of the connectors. The oil connector is 7" and the hot water heater connector is 3" or 4".
Can I just use furnace cement to fill the missing-brick hole and seal the pipes or must the brick and mortar be repaired by a professional (It is otherwise all intact.) I am handy. Additionally, how far in from the outer edge of the chimney should the connectors be inserted or how far across the bottom diameter of the chimney flue, eg. 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, etc. should it go. Thank you for your assistance and again the wealth of knowledge your site provides.
certainly an un-sealed hole in a chimney should be sealed for proper draft and for fire safety. It sounds like a standard masonry repair - be sure the repair is the same thickness as the chimney wall and that it does not intrude into or obstruct the flue. You can cut and cement in a piece of brick for a better repair than trying to blob in furnace cement alone.
In the article above see "Extended Too Far into Chimney" for a discussion about avoiding excessive insert lengths - I think this is what your second question is about.
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