This article explains the proper insulation amount and proper vapor barrier location below a passive solar heated concrete slab floor.

Sub Slab Insulation Amount, Location, & Vapor Barrier Placement for Heated Slabs

Accompanying text is reprinted/adapted/excerpted with permission from Solar Age Magazine - editor Steven Bliss.

Our page top photograph shows a horrible radiant floor slab insulation scheme installed by a Minnesota contractor - this radiant floor system never worked because the tubing was placed too deep in the concrete slab and the insulation system was incomplete.

The question-and-answer article about proper insulation amount and proper vapor barrier location below a passive solar heated concrete slab floor, quotes-from, updates, and comments an original article from Solar Age Magazine and written by Steven Bliss.

What thickness of insulation should I use below a 6-inch slab that has SolaRoll™ (passive solar floor heating system) auxiliary heating installed in the concrete? Where is the vapor barrier placed? 

I am in the process of designing a car wash that will use passive solar heating in the self-service bays. In the article "Choices in Underground INsulation,"

Solar Age, 3/83, you discussed below-grade insulation and waterproofing and recommended the use of extruded polystyrene.

What insulation thickness should I use under a 6-inch concrete slab that has SolaRoll™ auxiliary heating installed in the concrete?

What is the best arrangement and material to use as a vapor barrier under the floor slab?

I have received contradictory advice from solar dealers regarding the placement of the vapor barrier - above and below the sub-slab insulation have both been recommended. - J.W., Gettysburg PA

Our photo (above) shows a well-designed insulated radiant-heated concrete slab with an insulated foundation perimeter being installed in Two Harbors, Minnesota in 2007.

Answer: 

In a heated floor slab, heat losses into the ground and outward through the edges of the slab and foundation wall are quite significant.

Designers generally insulate both directly under the slab and around the perimeter as well. In cold climates it is advisable to use a minimum of 2 inches of extruded polystyrene under the slab.

Many increase the under-slab insulating foam board thickness to 3 or 4 inches at the outer 2 to 4 feet of the slab.

On the perimeter foundation wall, 2 inches of solid foam insulation are commonly used, again increasing the thickness toward the ground's surface. Our photo (left) shows insulation placed at the perimeter of a heated garage floor slab in Minneapolis, MN in 2007.

In any case, careful attention should be paid to insulating the slab edge, where heat loss is greatest. Details that thermally isolate the slab edge from the foundation wall and outdoors appear to work the best.

For a vapor barrier below a concrete floor slab, most choose 6- to 10-mil polyethylene. because extruded polystyrene insulating board will absorb little moisture, the vapor barrier can be placed above or below the slab insulation. Some builders prefer to place the vapor barrier below the insulation or even below the gravel bed because they find it easier to work on preparing the slab itself without destroying the vapor barrier membrane.

If you want to pour the concrete directly onto the plastic vapor barrier, you might protect it first with a layer of heavy felt building paper. If migration or moisture into the building is not a concern, as we suspect not in a car wash bay, you could eliminate the vapor barrier altogether.

Readers constructing an insulated slab with radiant floor heating, whether by passive solar or any other means, should

see FLOOR, CONCRETE SLAB CHOICES and should not fail to

read RADIANT HEAT FLOOR MISTAKES.

We discuss whether basement slab insulation is or is not recommended for ordinary basement floor slabs (non-solar, non-radiant heat)

at INSULATION LOCATION for BASEMENT FLOORS.

Readers should also see FLOOR, CONCRETE SLAB CHOICES for a discussion of choice of finish floor materials to preserve use of thermal mass of a concrete floor slab.

Readers concerned about termite damage associated with foam, fiberglass, or other building insulation materials should also

see TERMITE SHIELDS vs TERMITICIDE,

and INSECTS & FOAM INSULATION.

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Here we include solar energy, solar heating, solar hot water, and related building energy efficiency improvement articles reprinted/adapted/excerpted with permission from Solar Age Magazine - editor Steven Bliss.

"Insulating a Slab" - links to the original article in PDF form immediately below are preceded by an expanded/updated online version of this article

• Insulation Specifications for Passive Solar Concrete Floor Slabs - PDF form, use your browser's back button to return to this page

Reader Question: Insulation Plan for Solar Earth Box or "earthbox" heat storage design

Should a subslab solar storage earthbox be insulated on the top also - (Oct 2, 2014) jim

Reply:

Jim

In a passive energy solar earth box or "earthbox" design, using the model described by Summit Solar Systems, a hydronic solar design, installation, and consulting company, at

www.summitsolarsystems.com/solar_system_design.php

it's apparent that we are constructing a heat storage system whose heat input is from sun shining onto the surface of the earth box. So you would not want to insulate the top of the box, as doing so would prevent it from gaining solar energy.

In a different design, if for example you were pumping hot water from solar panels through a solar storage medium, then as the heat source is the heated water, not direct sunlight, in that case all sides of the earth box or "earthbox" would be insulated.

Please also see our article series on passive solar designs, beginning at

PASSIVE SOLAR DESIGN KEY ELEMENTS

Or see our complete solar energy ARTICLE INDEX at

ARTICLE INDEX to SOLAR ENERGY

• Athienitis, Andreas K., and Matheos Santamouris. Thermal analysis and design of passive solar buildings. Routledge, 2013.
• Claridge, David E. "Design methods for earth-contact heat transfer." In Advances in solar energy, pp. 305-351. Springer US, 1988.
• Geraldson, C. M. "The Earth Box: A Containerized Gradient Concept." HortScience 31, no. 4 (1996): 593-593.
• Ozturk, H. Huseyin. "Comparison of energy and exergy efficiency for solar box and parabolic cookers." Journal of Energy Engineering 133, no. 1 (2007): 53-62.
• Summit Soalr Systems, PO Box 2424, New London NH, 03257, USA, Website: http://www.summitsolarsystems.com/
  Excerpt on the company's article on solar system design, where earth box construction is discussed
  
  Once the foundation is completed we can begin to build our "Earth Box". The earth box is a system of its own. It needs to be 16" ~ 24" deep, Insulated at the bottom, and the perimeter with R10 material or better. The best application would be to use the 2" rigid foam board on the bottom, and on the perimeter.
  
  The reason I emphasize the perimeter is because we lose heat horizontally, so over insulating the perimeter is always a good thing, and never a waist of material. Once the Earth box insulating is completed, I recommend filling it in 50% full with the material you will be using for your earth box. Either flow fill, or sand. - op. cit. retrieved 2016/03/30
  
  The article continues with adviced about placing the plumbing manifold and domestic zone tubing into the earth box, followed by pouring the slab.
  
  Watch out: be sure to see RADIANT HEAT FLOOR MISTAKES - placing radiant heat tubing for a radiant-heated floor surface too deep into a slab will prevent good radiant floor heating operation. Be sure that your system design objectives are kept clear: storing heat in a passive solar media is not necessarily the same as using an in-floor or in-slab radiant heat system to warm a building's occupied space.
• Thirugnanasambandam, Mirunalini, Selvarasan Iniyan, and Ranko Goic. "A review of solar thermal technologies." Renewable and sustainable energy reviews 14, no. 1 (2010): 312-322.
• Tiwari, Gopal Nath. Solar energy: fundamentals, design, modelling and applications. Alpha Science Int'l Ltd., 2002.

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