Water Softener Brine Tank Level Too Low
Salt Tank level too low, insufficient salt dose, insufficient regeneration cycle, brine tank float repairs
BRINE TANK WATER TOO LOW - CONTENTS: How to Diagnose & Fix a Water Softener brine tank or salt tank that has too little water inlet, too small a salt dose outlet, inadequate water softener regeneration cycles, water softener is not softening the water.
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Water softener brine tank level too low:
What causes too little water in the water conditioner brine tank or salt tank & how do we fix it. If too little water enters the salt tank or brine tank the water softener regeneration cycle will be insufficient and the water conditioner will not adequately reduce water hardness. Salt tank problem diagnosis & brine tank float control diagnosis & repair.
Diagnose & Fix Water Softener Problems: this article series describes procedures for diagnosing and repairing water softener or water conditioner problems including water conditioner control settings and adjustment or repair, brine tank and brine tank float cleaning and repair, and the proper amount of water softening or conditioning that is needed.
Brine Tank Water Too Low: Not Enough Water in the Brine Tank
Question: our water softener brine tank never fills up with water but we do see the salt level dropping - what's wrong with our water conditioner?
The salt tank wont fill with water but salt level still goes down - Tom 11/27/12
Reply: probably nothing
The water softener brine tank does not normally FILL with water. Rather, water is pumped into the bottom of the tank, water level rises under control of a brine level float switch usually found inside a vertical plastic tube in the tank, then pumping stops, salt dissolves, and salty water is pumped back out.
So you won't see the water unless you've let the salt run out.
Sounds as if your system is working normally.
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Reader follow-up: what is the brine tank on a water softener?
the tank that holds the salt is the brine tank? or is the small tube with the salt level numbers the brine tank? - Tom
Reply: photo above shows the water softener brine tank, brine level float control tube, and water/brine pumping tube
The tank that contains the salt crystals or salt pellets is the brine tank (red arrow in our photo above). The small vertical tube is the location of the brine level float control and will be found in the salt tank at one side (blue arrow in our photo above).
Water passes from the water softener resin tank (at the right side in our photo) into the brine tank through the black tube (yellow arrow in our photo above) to dissolve salt, and salty water is pumped back through the resin tank through that same tube.
Question: brine tank & float question - tank is not filling - stuck brine tank float valve assembly
I have an autotrol system and a brine tank with float. The tank is no longer reliably filling. I have replaced screens and filter in the autotrol head unit , which has fixed it in the past. However it is still not filling.
I think it may have to do with the float, it looks like when the level is too low, it stops flow?? Water comes out of the tube to the tank if i disconnect it. Slow or not sure when its connected to the float. Any suggestions? - Scott 7/8/12
Scott look over the brine tank float switch info in the article above. The float should move freely up and down and the switch operates on float rise. If yours is stuck, clean the float vertical tube and all float parts and switch and try again - or replace The switch if needed.
Reader Comments: Diagnostic tips for a water softner that won't draw brine
Although I'm not the most expert on water softeners I've messed with them a bit and inspected quite a few. It is common for the brine tank float to get stuck or fail to operate properly. Some folks go on for years with the system not working, never realizing a thing until their water pipes clog with minerals that the softener was not removing because it was not doing a thing.
I haven't come across the air leak problem but that makes some sense, though I'd like to hear more specifics about where the air leaks occur; I suspect that an air leak in the brine line between brine tank and softener might let air rather than brine pass back to the softener, but I'd think during the brine tank fill cycle you'd see water leaks at the same place. The manual for your water softener says an air leak in the brine line can cause a brine tank overflow.
I'd suggest removing all the salt (you've done that) then starting a manual regen cycle and then stand there and with the lid off the brine tank watch what it does. You should see water enter, the float rise, the float stop the water entry, then the water flow should reverse and flow back through the softener.
(If you'd photograph the whole sequence and email me those that'd be a useful addition to our diagnostic routines online.)
Take a look at the diagnostics page in the manual - I'll quote some key passages:
Continuing with Autotrol w55/440 Water softener diagnostics, here are things to watch for during the regen cycle:
Control will not draw brine: possible causes-
- low water pressure
- restricted drain line
- injector plugged or defective
- Valve 2 disc and/or 3 not closed (see parts diagram)
- Air check valve prematurely closed (there's that air check valve again)
Also interesting is a system that actually takes or uses less salt than the setting on the salt dose dial (I suspect this is a good candidate for your complaint as you say the softener gives soft water after a regen cycle but just for 2 days):
The Dx says look for foreign matter inside the controller - debris causes incorrect flow rates.
You should see this in the quantity of water pumped in and out of the brine tank (it'd be reduced)
Finally, some general Dx for "Run out of Soft Water Between Regen Cycles"
- improper regen (which we've been discussing)
- incorrect salt dose setting
- incorrect hardness or capacity setting
- water hardness has increased (in the incoming water supply)
- Restricted meter turbine rotation due to foreign matter in the meter (see parts diagram)
Given the age of your water softener I'd be alert for the debris-related diagnostics in the company's list.
If you don't have the manual on hand contact me by email and I can send you a copy.
That list is very helpful. I decided to shock the well again today (2nd time in a month) because I still believe it's at the heart of my problems. I'm clogging up a whole house filter once every 7-10 days now. Used to be every 2 months. It's never been a good well and I'm thinking it got worse and the softener simply can't deal with the high iron content, I'm flushing the chlorine out as I type, the hose has been running for well over 1 hour and the water is still very brown.
Hopefully it starts running clear soon. If I can't improve that part and go at least a couple months before a filter change, I think a new well or at least well company inspection is next.
Question: Crown twin tank water softener is running much longer on its regeneration cycle,
(May 11, 2014) Stuart Machin said:
My Crown twin tank water softener is running much longer on its regeneration cycle, 2-3 hours instead of the usual 10-15 minutes.
What is the likely problem & is it something I can fix myself ?
Stuart start by checking the control settings. Then try a manual regen cycle and watch what happens. Is the clock reading ticking or moving? I suspect a debris clogged control, check valve, or possibly a salt-stuck brine float.
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