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Dangerous deck (C) Daniel FriedmanSquare up & level building foundations, walls, roofs, decks, porches, or stairs

Use the 6-8-10 Rule to square any structure
Measure diagonals of a roof, wall, deck, etc. to make it square

How to measure the level & plumb position of a deck, floor, foundation, porch, post, roof, stairs, wall or any other structure.

This article summarizes methods, including the 3-4-5 or 6-8-10 rule to quickly and easily check that any structure is level and plumb - important measures to assure that a structure and its connections are safe and properly made.

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Get the Deck or Any Other Structure Plumb, Level & Square

Irregularly-Shaped deck under construction (C) Daniel FriedmanThe cardinal rule of carpentry can be summarized as follows: build it plumb, level, and square.

Watch out: building a structure that's out of square is more than an aesthetic problem or an eyesore.

If by accident your structure is out of square, cutting and filling in the studs (if it's a wall), floor joists, ceiling joists, or rafters if it's a roof is going to be hell as every cut will have to be different, the plywood (sold in 4x8 ft. squares) you might use for sheathing isn't going to fit without trimming, and installing siding or roofing is also going to get really ugly.

The best materials, finest tools, and greatest design cannot overcome a structure that has been put together contrary to this principle, since errors in any one of these attributes can quickly multiply as the project progresses.

Here we will describe simple procedures to make your structure plumb (vertical), level or "flat", and square. This article assumes you already know exactly where your deck will be located.

Photo above: this small deck on a Minnesota Green Cabin was expanded, made level and square by the author.

Below on this page at 3-4-5 square-up you'll see how we did it.

Article Contents

If you need to place a deck, foundation, or other structure accurately on the ground

see BATTER BOARDS LAYOUT METHOD and for decks also

see DECK LAYOUT.

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3 Step 6-8-10 Procedure in a Nutshell

Use the 3 4 5 or 6 8 10 rule to square up framing for a deck floor, building wall, roof, etc (C) Daniel FriedmanUsing the sketch shown here wecan square up any structure in just 3 easy steps. Suppose we're about to build a deck platform.

We've bolted our deck ledger board to the building's structure and we're about to lay out our first deck joist that needs to be at right angles to the ledger (90 degres) and thus square to the building.

  1. Measurement A - 6 ft:

    From one corner of where the deck will be bolted to the building (or from the end of the deck ledger already bolted in place, measure six feet in from one end of the ledger and mark that point.
  2. Measurement B - 8 ft:

    Then measure eight feet out from the building along your proposed deck side joist and mark that point on the inside of the joist.
  3. Set Distance C to 10 ft:

    Now measure the distance between point 1 and point 2 - a diagonal line between the deck side joist and the ledger board.

    Move the left side joist as necessary to make the diagonal line exactly 10 feet and you are guaranteed that the side joist is at a perfect right angle to the building - a nice way to decide how to locate deck corner post piers.

The 6 8 10 framing square-up rule works because (62 + 82) = 102 or 36 + 64 = 100. But that's enough plane geometry for now.

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Detailed Guide to Useing the 6-8-10 or 3-4-5 rule

to Determine square or right angles in deck, porch, floor, wall, or roof framing or any other building framing or construction task

To check a single corner of any structure such a deck, floor, wall, or roof section for squareness, use the 6-8-10 rule (or if the sides are too short use “3-4-5”) technique that we give in detail here.

Using the 3 4 5 rule to square up an addition to an existing deck (C) Daniel Friedman at InspectApedia.com

Here we will illustrate exactly how to make these measurements to square up any structure.

The underlying magic of the 6-8-10 rule comes from plane geometry where we learned that for any right triangle (having two sides meeting at a perfect 90° angle), we can write this equation that describes the lengths of the triangles three sides:

a2 =b2 +c2 - the square of the length of the hypotenuse (a) equals the squares of the lengths of the opposite sides of a right triangle (b) and (c). You can skip the geometry read just below the steps in making these measurements.

If you want to understand the why and how the math works see details given

at FRAMING TRIANGLES & CALCULATIONS .

Step 1: Measure & mark 3 ft. along one side of the framed structure triangle.

Here I'm going to measure along one side 3 feet along the top of the ledger board (already bolted to the building) from the home base corner and mark that spot on top of the framing member. The red line reminds us that I'm taking all of my 3-4-5 measurements along the inside edge of the framing member.

In my first photo - just above - I've measured IN from the right hand corner of the new structure, along the top of the ledger board.

Watch out: not only must you take all measurements along the same surface (top in this case) of the framing members and from the same "home base" corner (right corner in this case)

Watch out: you must also make all measurements along the same edge (inside edge in my example - see the red lines) of the framing member.

So measuring in along the ledger board from the right hand corner to 3ft. if I started my tape at the inside surface of the right side rim joist and measure in along the ledger for 3ft. then I must also use the inside surface of the existing ledger board when I measure out along the right side rim joist to make my 4 ft. mark - below.

Step 2: Measure & mark 4 ft. along the second side of the triangle

Using the 3 4 5 rule to square up an addition to an existing deck (C) Daniel Friedman at InspectApedia.com

Measure along a perpendicular side 4 feet from the same home base corner and mark that spot on top of that framing member. Again, my measurements are being taken on the inside of the framing member.

Watch out: I could have used the framed structure outside edges but I have to be consistent - all measurements from outside or all from inside edge of the joist. Otherwise one or more of my measurements will be wrong by 1 1/2" - the thickness of the joist.

Step 3. Measure the diagonal distance between the two square-up marks

Finally, measure the diagonal formed between these two marks.

Using the 3 4 5 rule to square up an addition to an existing deck (C) Daniel Friedman at InspectApedia.com

When the diagonal measures equals 5 feet, the framing around that corner is square.

If you click to enlarge my diagonal measurement above you'll see that on the tape my 5ft. mark is just slightly in from the rim joist's inside edge - this is an error. Frankly it was darn hard to hold the tape, the rim joist, and the camera all at once so my photo does not show the precisely correct measurement.

After I put the camera down I moved the joist out slightly - to the right - so that my diagonal would be exactly 5 ft.

This approach can be even more accurate if you use a set of larger numbers that have the same ratio, such as 6-8-10 or 9-12-15. But in my example the right hand side of our deck addition was just 4'1" in total length so I had to mark at just 4 ft. to square it up.

Everything you ever wanted to know about the 6-8-10 rule for squaring up anything you're building can be read and the mathematical underpinnings of angles, slopes, and tangents can be read

at FRAMING TRIANGLES & CALCULATIONS.

Below is a drawing showing the details of a 6-8-10 framed structure squaring-up measurement.

Unlike my real-world photos above, the drawing has us taking all measurements along the outside of the deck ledger and rim joist. That's fine. Just be consistent.

Use the 3 4 5 or 6 8 10 rule to square up framing for a deck floor, building wall, roof, etc (C) Daniel Friedman

Avoid this Error when Making Measurements Using the 3-4-5 rule

Watch out: because we measure lengths A and B along the OUTSIDE edge of the deck ledger and deck joist, when we measure the diagonal C we must pull the tape from and measure to the OUTSIDE edge of those same members.

If you mess up and measure C from the inside or A or B on the inside your deck won't be square nor at right angles to the building.

Re-stating this measurement warning, you can of course make all of your measurements from the INSIDE of the framing triangle as we illustrate in my little drawing below.

You know now that the 3-4-5 rule is the same as the 6-8-10 rule, right? You can extend this rule to any longer length you want, as long as you multiply all three numbers (3-4-5) by the same multiplier.

On the back of most framing squares, along the tongue (the shorter arm) near the heel (the 90 degree angle formed by the two arms) you will find

a special set of numbers 18-24-30 which is nothing but

another case of the 3-4-5 rule multiplied by 6 - that would let you build a brace with one arm 18 units long, another arm of 24 units long, and a diagonal between them of 30 units.

Right triangle demonstrating the 3-4-5 rule makes building a perfect wood framing square or framing anything at a right angle very easy (C) Daniel Friedman at InspectApedia.com

Or

Right triangle demonstrating the 3-4-5 rule makes building a perfect wood framing square or framing anything at a right angle very easy (C) Daniel Friedman at InspectApedia.com

More about this inside outside measurement mistake and how to avoid it is

at FRAMING SQUARE BRACE TABLE

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How to Lay-Out & Measure Diagonals to Determine if any Rectangle is Properly Squared

If you are building or have rough-framed-up a rectangular structure, the lengths of its opposite sides must be parallel and of equal length.

But you could, by accident, also be building a trapezoid like the one I show below.

If you don't square up your rectangle it may become a trapezoid (C) Daniel Friedman at InspectApedia.com

In my drawing the green diagonal B will be longer than the red diagonal A.

To quickly determine if a rectangle is square, measure both diagonals. If they are identical, the corners are square.

How to square up any rectangle by measuring diagonals (C) Daniel Friedman at InspectApedia.com

If lengths B and A are NOT the same, then if B is too long, you would push the two ends of B closer together, deforming your trapezoid back towards being a perfect rectangle.

Keep adjusting until the two diagonals are the same length.

Watch out: remember to make both A and B measurements the same way - measuring to the outside of the corners formed by the framing members for both diagonals or the inside of the framed corners for both measurements. Either is OK just make both measurements the same way.

This works for any rectangle - that is, the opposite sides are parallel and of the same length. You do not have to be making a square (in which all four sides are the same length.

Watch out: Be sure in using this method to first confirm you are working with a true rectangle; check that opposite & parallel pairs of sides are exactly the same length.

Watch out: if your diagonal measurements are not level your measurement distances will be in error.

How to Check Any Framed Structure for Squareness

Using the 3 4 5 rule to square up an addition to an existing deck (C) Daniel Friedman at InspectApedia.comMost decks are rectangular or made up of several adjoining rectangles. If the corners of the frame are not square, the decking will be harder to install and the results may look odd or worse.

Here we are building a very small addition to an existing deck, and we need to be sure that the right-hand side rim joist is square, or at right angles to the building and to the ledger board that is already in place.

Since we can't move the building nor the ledger board attached to it, we are going to use measurements to move the right hand side rim joist to be exactly perpendicular to the existing structure.

There are simple methods used by carpenters to check for square, depending on the situation - the 3-4-5 rule for very small structures and the 6-8-10 rule or longer measurements for larger structures.

We also use a framing square periodically during framing to be sure that we're keeping our structure and all of its members squared. Also see FRAMING SQUARE USER'S GUIDE

Tips for Accurate Square-Up Measurements

For the most accuracy be sure you do the following:

  1. Use the largest square-up triangle that you can fit on the structure.
  2. Always make all measurements from the same corner or "home base"
  3. Always make all measurements consistently on the inside or outside edge of the framed-structure.

    When squaring up framing lumber such as the joists shown in my photo, always make all measurements on the same side of all of the joists - in the photo you'd use either the outside edge or the corresponding inside edge of the framing lumber that is enclosing the triangle you're measuring.

In this case as I'm building a tiny addition to complete an previous restoration of a deck that used to be there by adding onto an existing structure, it's easier to read the tape measure on the "inside" edges of the framed enclosure.

Typically you'll keep one side, probably the ledger board that's already bolted to the building, as fixed in position and you will move the perpendicular side of your structure in or out until your diagonal measures exactly 10 ft. if you're using the 6-8-10 rule or until it measures 5 ft. if you're using, as I am here, the 3-4-5 rule.

 

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How to Make the Structure Plumb: Perfectly Vertical Posts, Walls, Other Structures

When you start installing the posts for your deck, you will need to make sure that each one is plumb. To do so, hold a carpenter’s level securely against the post, then move the post until the bubbles are centered in the two end vials. Check and plumb two adjacent sides.

Another tool that can be used is a plumb bob. On a still day, a plumb bob will hang perfectly straight up and down from a piece of string.

Definition of plumb structures

“Plumb” means true to a vertical plane. A plumb object takes maximum advantage of gravity, transferring loads directly to the earth. “Level” means true to a horizontal plane (that is, to the horizon).

And when a plumb object meets a level object, they form a 90-degree angle, which is the basis of “square.”

Fortunately, each of these properties can be checked easily with the techniques described here. By monitoring your deck building for plumb, level, and square at each step, you can ensure that succeeding steps start off on the right foot.

Watch out: when checking a post or wall for plumbness be sure to check with your level on two sides of the post or wall-end. Otherwise your structure may lean, fouling up the rest of its construction.

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How to Make any Structure Level

Beams, joists, and decking should all be level - unless you are building a surface with a deliberate slope such as a slight pitch in a deck to drain away from a building.

Using the procedures given here, you can check supporting posts and beams as well as finished floors for level easily with a carpenter’s level placed in the horizontal position.

Watch out: when laying out a new structure be sure that the boards or string lines used in layout are level. Otherwise your length measurements may be incorrect.

How to use a Carpenter's Level

When the bubble is centered in the middle vial, the object is level.

When you are using a level to check a long board or post, place the level at several spots along the entire length.

If the bubble changes resting spots from one location to another, the lumber is probably bowed and may need to be replaced.

Squaring up an irregularly-shaped deck (left) still requires that its surface be properly leveled and its posts properly plumb.

Watch out: when checking level or flatness your level itself could be off. Over a long distance that can be important.

Carpenter's Level - How to use simple tools to build level, plumb, and square structures (C) Daniel FriedmanLevels are some-what delicate tools.

To see if yours is accurate, place it on a flat, solid surface that is nearly plumb or level. With the level in position, take a close look at the location of the bubble. Then, without lifting the level, rotate it on its axis 180 degrees, and let it come to rest in the same position on the surface.

If the bubble is in the same position as before, the level is accurate.

Sometimes you'll find that in a pair of level bubble gauges (as in my photo) one of them is spot-on while the other is slightly off - the error can be in the level not in the surface it's sitting upon.

Tip: I put a mark to one side of the center bubble set in my level so that I can see which way I've turned-it. Then if I find that one of the pair of level bubble scales is spot-on I mark the level to always put that side of the level UP. A few pricey levels have bubble gauges that can be adjusted.

Sometimes you need to establish a level between a reference point on one surface, such as a ledger, and a point on another, such as a post, without having an installed board between them on which to set a level.

How to Level a Larger Structure

There are several methods to accomplish this chore easily and reliably when the distance between two framing members that you want to level is longer than your level itself. .

  1. Use a level extender:

    The first is to set the level at the center of a long, straight board, then move the board up and down until the bubble is centered. If you're doing this a lot you can also purchase an extendable and rigid strait-edge that can be used with your level.

    This effectively allows you to turn a 2- or 4-foot level into an 8-, 10-, or 12-foot level.
  2. Use a water level:

    For those times when a carpenter’s level will not reach, such as when you are establishing ledger locations on two sides of a house or are determining post heights for a large deck, a water level is indispensable.

    It operates on the principle that water in a flexible tube will seek the same level on each end. You can make your own using any length of 3/8-inch or 5/i6-inch clear vinyl tubing.

    Fill it with water and a little food coloring for visibility. Make sure there are no air bubbles or kinks in the tubing and keep the tubing ends open. Set one end of the tubing so that the water level aligns with your reference mark.

    Then place the other end of the tubing in the desired location. Once the water stabilizes, it will be level with the other end.

    An even simpler approach is to buy a commercial water level that beeps when level has been established in the tube.
  3. Use a Builder's Transit or Dumpy Level:

    Buy, rent, or borrow a dumpy level, transit, or builder's transit or level and tripod. This approach can be very accurate but requires some learning and skill to make proper use of the instrument.

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Adjustment of a Deck or Floor to Level

Summerblue Arts Camp stage construction 2001 (C) Daniel Friedman at InspectApedia.com Two Harbors MinnesotaIf your structure, say a floor or deck is meant to be level and it's not, you'll need to move its perimeter frame sides up or down until your level tells you it's now flat. The choice of which side has to move up or down may be limited.

If for example you've bolted a ledger to the building to construct a deck, it's easier to move the deck's outer rim joist up or down than to relocate the ledger board.

Deliberate Adjustment Out of Level

Some structures like the Summerblue Arts Camp stage shown in our photo should be built deliberately sloped in one direction.

We might slope the surface of a deck slightly, perhaps 1/8" per foot, to improve drainage and to send its drainage away from the building to which its attached.

In the case of the stage, the director wanted the stage to slope slightly down towards the audience and to raise its rear for theatrical purposes.

But the stage couldn't slope too much or it might have led to another form of slip-ups among its actor-users.

The original construction, installation and long term performance of this outdoor performing arts stage floor are described in a series of articles beginning

at BATTER BOARDS LAYOUT METHOD.

More details about how to use the 6-8-10 rule to assure two framing members are at right angles to one another are at

FRAMING SQUARE-UP 6-8-10 RULE

Also see FRAMING TRIANGLES & CALCULATIONS.


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