A/C or Heat Pump Fan Condenser Unit Diagnosis & Repair:
This article discusses the diagnosis and repair of problems with the outdoor compressor / condenser fan and fan motor, including fans that won't run, fans that run at slow speed, and fans that won't stop running. Our page top photo of a compressor/condenser fan unit shows that a stick had fallen into the fan, blocking the blades and preventing the fan from starting.
A simple problem like this can also burn out a fan motor. Examples of A/C or heat pump fan/condenser unit problems discussed here include: condenser fan won't start, run, or keeps stopping; A/C or heat pump condenser fan won't stop running - keeps going forever; noisy buzzing or wobbling ticking compressor fan unit diagnosis/repair; air conditioner condenser compressor fan diagnosis & repair procedures - things to check.
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The condenser unit fan is a blower that moves outdoor air across the condensing coil found in the outdoor compressor/condenser unit. The movement of outdoor air across the condensing coil transfers heat to outdoor air and allows high pressure/high temperature refrigerant inside the condensing coil to condense from a gas back to a liquid refrigerant.
The condenser fan is visible inside of the outdoor compressor/condenser unit such as the unit shown in our sketch at left, and in our other photos on this page.
Our central A.C. compressor sketch shows the condenser fan blades in the top of the unit (red line).
The green lines marks a common location for the fan control (at left) and more control circuitry (at right), and the blue line marks the fan motor itself.
Other compressor units such as those used
in SPLIT SYSTEM AIR CONDITIONERS & HEAT PUMPS designs may mount the fan in a vertical position blowing out of the side of the compressor unit rather than out of the compressor top shown in our sketch.
If the condenser fan is running, you will see the fan blade spinning at speed (typically at 1725 rpm) and you will feel air blowing out of the unit.
Watch out: as we explain
at BURNED-OUT COMPRESSOR, if the condensing unit fan is not working, the compressor itself may shut down or even be ruined by overpressure or over temperature.
If the compressor/condenser unit has power and the compressor motor appears to be able to start and run normally but the outdoor compressor/condenser fan itself won't turn on, the fan motor may be overheated or damaged -
see MOTOR OVERLOAD RESET SWITCH.
Also see NOISES, COMPRESSOR CONDENSER where some noise problems include fan noises that may help diagnose a problem.
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The air conditioner or heat pump condensing coil (shown at above)
receives high pressure refrigerant gas from the compressor and cools this refrigerant gas back to a liquid state. Sketch from Carson Dunlop Associates, a Toronto home inspection, education, & report writing tool company [ carsondunlop.com ].
Typically refrigerant leaves the compressor and enters the outdoor condensing coil at about 100 psi and about 95 degF.
These pressures vary of course by type of refrigerant, ambient temperatures, compressor details, etc.
The Outdoor cooling fan (the subject of this article)
moves outdoor air across the condensing coil to cool it and assist in condensing the high pressure, high temperature refrigerant gas back into a liquid.
It is this process
which completes the transfer of heat through the refrigerant from indoor air to outdoor air as the compressor/condenser unit compresses and then cools the refrigerant back to a liquid.
All of the above-listed air conditioner or heat pump components are discussed in detail throughout this website.
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Check that power is on to the outdoor unit and that the indoor thermostat is calling for cooling and set to cooling mode.
If the compressor/condenser unit has power and the compressor motor appears to be able to start and run normally but the outdoor compressor/condenser fan itself won't turn on, the fan motor may be overheated or damaged
See MOTOR OVERLOAD RESET SWITCH.
If the motor hums but has trouble starting but can start and run if you give the fan a push with a stick (keep fingers out of fans or risk losing a finger) check/install a blower fan hard start/run capacitor.
See CAPACITORS for HARD STARTING MOTORS
A condenser fan that won't start when power is turned on, but whose blades will spin easily when power is off may have a worn fan motor shaft bearing.
You may detect this by noticing that you can wobble the fan motor shaft (when power is OFF) or you may notice that you can pull the shaft in and out of the motor (loose end-play).
Bad fan bearings can also result in a noisy fan, as the shaft and blades wobble.
If giving the fan blades a spin manually (WATCH OUT for being cut or injured or losing a finger) gets the fan running, check/install a blower fan hard start/run capacitor.
See CAPACITORS for HARD STARTING MOTORS.
Reader question: At first outside AC runs but blower jerking back and forth and would not run. Then all of a sudden fan stopped jerking and does nothing and outside unit does not turn on.
What could have caused outside unit to stop working?
This is an old Frigidaire unit with variable speed motor. - CJ
Reply by moderator - What could have caused outside unit to stop working?
@CJ,
Check first for loose bolts or mounts at the fan, motor, or its blower unit cage.
Then check for a bad fan motor start capacitor.
Then check for a motor with a bad or seized bearing.
Don't confuse the outdoor condenser unit blower fan, discussed here, with the indoor air handler unit's blower fan that delivers conditioned air through the building's ductwork. Diagnostics for that fan are
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Possible low voltage at the equipment; possible condenser unit control board circuit failure
See CONTROL CIRCUIT BOARD, A/C for details.
Also possibly there may be no power to the fan and fan blades are moving due to local breeze blowing through the unit. On occasion a "slow" outdoor fan may be due to a fan blade that is not secured to the fan motor shaft.
Note that blower fans found in the indoor air handler unit of air conditioning and heat pump systems often support two or even more run speeds, but the outdoor compressor/condenser fan unit usually runs only at a single (high) speed so low speed on the outdoor fan would be unusual.
A slow condenser fan (or air handler unit fan) could be caused by a bad start-run capacitor.
Unfortunately this condition could indicate a burned-out A/C or heat pump compressor motor. If the compressor won't start and if the unit trips a breaker or blows a fuse as soon as it tries to turn on, the motor is burned out and shorted.
If the compressor/condenser unit is wired with 240V (or "220 volts") as most are, an overcurrent at compressor start-up may be tripping just one leg of a two-pole breaker or one of a pair of fuses, leaving the other circuit "live". This can leave the fan motor running.
A bad fan motor can also cause the fan to turn but only abnormally slowly. An internal short that is grounding the fan motor windings can leave the fan running, but abnormally slowly.
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Check for a fan blade hitting an obstruction in the unit; possible failing blower fan motor.
See details at HVAC FAN NOISES
Or see our encyclopedic list of
Or see TICKING NOISE DIAGNOSIS
If the fan itself is balanced and undamaged and secured to the shaft and the fan motor buzzes or hums the motor may be damaged, overheated, have an internal bearing failure, or the motor may be hard starting.
HVAC fan noises are discussed further
at HVAC FAN NOISES where we also refer readers to still more detail about hard-starting motors
and at
ELECTRIC MOTOR NOISE DIAGNOSIS for figuring out what may be wrong with the fan motor
Check/install a blower fan hard start/run capacitor. See the Capacitors link just below.
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Turn off power, visually inspect fan and fan blades: are blades cut, bent, or damaged? Is the fan blade assembly secured to the fan motor shaft?
A bent condenser fan causes stress on the blower fan motor shaft and can destroy the motor. Minor bends can be corrected manually; damaged blades need to be replaced.
Turn off power and assure that the fan blade is secured to the fan motor shaft. If the fan spins on the motor shaft and the motor shaft won't turn the motor may be seized and need replacement.
If the fan motor is OK one or more allen screws set into the center bushing of the blower fan itself may need to be tightened to secure the blower fan to the motor shaft.
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Check for loose wires or loose components on the fan unit control circuit board.
Typically this is caused by an internal short in the motor windings. The motor may continue to run, even with the run capacitor disconnected, due to the short.
Reader Question: when set to cooling the compressor fan stops and starts
On our outdoor heat pump unit, when set to heating compressor and compressor fans works PERFECT! But when set to cooling the compressor fan stops and starts, it will not stay on when compressor is on. I can hear the coil from the tinny fan control circuit board turning the fan off and then back on during this problem.
Fan is brand new. Capacitor is brand new. Fan control circuit board is brand new. Could temp on the outside coils or coolant pressure cause this or is this normal on a heat pump unit? (May 18, 2015) by Aubrey
Reply:
Aubrey I doubt that outdoor temperature would explain the problem you cite. More likely there is an electrical or control problem.
Reader follow-up:
We just talked to someone in person that has advanced knowledge of our problem and he said this is a normal built in feature and his unit does the same thing. Just sharing this info for others.
" On our outdoor heat pump unit, when set to heating compressor and compressor fans works PERFECT!
But when set to cooling the compressor fan stops and starts, it will not stay on when compressor is on. I can hear the coil from the tinny fan control circuit board turning the fan off and then back on during this problem.
Fan is brand new. Capacitor is brand new. Fan control circuit board is brand new. Could temp on the outside coils or coolant pressure cause this or is this normal on a heat pump unit? "
Reply:
Aubrey,
Regarding "But when set to cooling the compressor fan stops and starts, it will not stay on when compressor is on"
... it depends. Rapid fan on-off cycling certainly is likely to indicate an electrical or control problem worth investigating.
But it is indeed also normal for the fan on-off cycle to sometimes be different from the compressor motor on-off cycle. But it seems to me that that condition should not be for long. The compressor is depending on the fan to move air across the condensing coil to convert high pressure, high temperature gas back to a liquid refrigerant.
Follow up:
Correct. The fan does not stay off for a "long" time. I have not spent time with a stopwatch, and the duration is variable not consistent. But when it turns off it will come back on 1-3 min later (best guess)
Reply:
Your service tech will perhaps look for a bad control board, relay, or wiring connection or sensor.
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The outdoor condenser unit fan may run for a brief while after the compressor motor has stopped but if the outdoor compressor motor itself has been off for 10 minutes or longer but the outdoor condenser unit fan never stops, check for a problem with the control board wiring or circuit.
Some of the diagnostics for the indoor air handler / blower fan can also help debug problems with the outdoor condenser unit fan.
So also see AIR HANDLER / BLOWER or FURNACE FAN WONT STOP - topic home
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Could be a bad start-run capacitor or a bad control board.
See CAPACITORS for HARD STARTING MOTORS
A detailed case of diagnosing and fixing a condenser fan that was running backwards at speed changes is discussed below at
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We list this sequence of condenser fan troubleshooting checkpoints roughly in the order that an experienced service technician will try them, putting easy, cheap, or more likely causes higher in the list. Contact us if you have suggestions.
This article series discusses the outdoor components of air conditioners and heat pumps: how the air conditioning compressor-condenser unit works; the detection of defects in air conditioning compressor and condensing units, including evaluation of air conditioner compressor noises, hard starting, lost cooling capacity, and detection of a burned out compressor or A/C compressors at or near end of their life.
If your air conditioning or heat pump system has lost its cooling capacity or won't start
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In our simple air conditioning (or heat pump) system sketch shown at left, the light blue fan shown at left in the sketch (above the red compressor box) is the outdoor compressor/condenser fan discussed
at FAN, COMPRESSOR / CONDENSER UNIT.
The dark blue fan shown at right in the sketch is the indoor air handler or blower compartment or cooling coil fan found inside the building. This fan blows building air across the evaporator coil (or cooling coil) to cool and dehumidify indoor building air.
We discuss this fan
at FAN, AIR HANDLER BLOWER UNIT.
Thanks for the great step by step instructions to troubleshooting. My AC unit is 18 years old, and I was afraid it was hopeless, but I decided to run through your checklist, and I was able to get it cleaned up and running again. (Aug 17, 2011) by Jim
I had a problem with my Condenser unit. The fan would run for a while then stop. I had a HVAC Repair company come out over 5 times trying to fix it. First the capacitor was replaced. The problem still came back in the mid day heat. Then they replaced the fan motor. The problem came back.
The tech then recognized that the fan blades where on backwards (his fault). The problem came back. Finally a senior tech came out and recognized that the fan required a different capacitor than what was initially changed in.
The final solution was for a separate capacitor that matched the fan's requirements to be installed.
Moral of the story: do it yourself and use the right capacitor. (Sept 19, 2012) by Robert
Jim, thanks so much for the very nice feedback - that's just super. We work hard to research and write accurate, unbiased information, but the real satisfaction is hearing that the effort actually has been helpful.
Robert,
Thank you for the helpful comment. Indeed you point out that when replacing a start/run capacitor it is important to use the proper one.
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Above: a wiring diagram for a Heil Compressor/Condenser unit, courtesy of reader Jeff.
[Click to enlarge any image]
Watch out: the wiring instructions and diagram for your specific air conditioner or heat pump compressor/condenser unit are model dependent. The wiring diagram just above may not apply.
I have a heat pump unit where the condenser fan motor has burned up. Ordered a new one off Amazon with the same CAP rating. My old fan was a 4 wire system and has a red,yellow, brown, and black wire.
The new motor is a 3 wire with yellow, brown, and black. I notice the red on the unit is coming off of a small circuit board that says low.
Am I able to wire a 3 wire fan into a heating pump that had a 4 wire fan?
Also, noticed the old fan wire actually has a quick connect coupler for all four wires to connect into a circuit board.
The brand of the Unit is Heil with a GE motor. (May 30, 2020) by Jeff
This Q&A were posted originally
at FAN, COMPRESSOR / CONDENSER DIAGNOSTIC FAQs
Jeff
We can probably make this work, but I'm nervous about just guessing and burning up another fan motor.
See if you can find the wiring diagram for your condenser unit - often on a sticker in the unit, or always in the IO manual for the unit. We ought to be able to follow the old 4-wire fan wiring
Also some basic condenser unit wiring connections and wire color codes are summarized
at COMPRESSOR / CONDENSER DIAGNOSTICS
Sorry taken so log to reply, I work a lot of hours. I've included pictures of the schematic as you suggested.Really hoping this new fan is able to be used.
Jeff
On the wiring diagram see component FSC - Fan Speed Control - I'll post an excerpt from your photo to help you find it.
That identifies what each of the wires are. You may also need to take a look in the IO manual for your condenser unit to understand each of the features or functions indicated by the wires
I see Red wire goes to LO for the fan.
The new 3 wire fan doesn't have this wire.
What would be the risk in not connecting the red wire to anything and just connecting the brown, black and yellow wires?
My guess is no low speed, but we need to know all circumstances in which that speed is used to assure dropping it is ok.
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