Diagnose these air conditioner or heat pump noises: hiss, howl, huff, hum sounds at air conditioners or heat pumps or at heating systems & in HVAC duct systems or air handlers.
Air conditioner or heat pump noise diagnosis & cure: this air conditioning repair article discusses the diagnosis and repair of air conditioning compressor noises which range in importance from normal (if annoying squeaks and squeals, to rattling loose bolts and hardware, to costly compressor damage indicating air conditioning compressor or A/C compressors at or near end of their life.
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The following HVAC noise descriptions are a continuation from the article beginning at NOISES, HVAC SOUND DESCRIPTIONS
See complete details at HISSING SOUNDS, HVAC - separate article. .
Howling noises at HVAC systems are often traced to
The following reader Q&A was originally posted as a FAQ at BUILDING NOISE DIAGNOSIS & CURE
30 January 2015 Bill G said:
Hi and thank you for your informative site...
Maybe I overlooked it but I tried to find and answer for my problem without success. I have a downdraft Coleman natural gas forced air furnace located in an upstairs apartment over my garage. It has been a nice unit with very little trouble.
Lately however it has developed an intermittent howl when running that I have narrowed down to the main blower unit...not the induction blower.
What it does that is very odd is it only howls when the burner shuts down.
Whether the induction blower is still running or after it too has shut down. With it still warmed and the main blower still running and howling.
If I ask for heat the induction blower spins up and the burner lights..then as it starts to come up to temp the howl instantly stops and the main blower continues running smoothly.
Shortly after I shut down the burner the howl suddenly begins again.
Mind you.. the blower has been running at full speed during all of this test. The howl simply kicks in and kicks off in a counter-relation to the burner being lit.
If the burner is lit..the howl stops.. after the burner shuts off the howl starts up again. Very strange!
Bill
As you say the noise has to do with the air handler blower assembly (not the burner) I'd look for a failing bearing on the blower assembly or its motor or if it's a belt driven unit I'd look for loose or damaged belts or pulleys.
Of course also look for collapsing air filters, duct crimps, holes, leaks that might sound or not sound like howling depending on air velocity.
Bill said:
Thanks DJF.. but it is so intermittent..and exactly counter to burner operation it seems to be something else. For the record I did replace the filter and the motor is direct drive, the ducts are free and clear and the burner burns clean and blue.
What I did as a test this morning was time the noise...and it works like this: With the unit running and the burner lit everything is perfectly smooth. 60 seconds after the burner shuts down the main blower motor suddenly starts the low howl. If you call for heat again.. and the burner lights...
30 seconds after ignition the low howl just as suddenly stops and the motor runs perfectly smoothly again. This is perfectly repeatable just like clockwork.
The vibration howl is coming from the main blower and I've put my hand on it while running to feel it cycle from howl to no-howl.
My current guess..which may be off the wall is a possible motor control issue?? These AC motors are pulse sync controlled and if the control board is sending a bad bad sync pulse it may give this type result...maybee...?
The fact that it is so precisely tied to the control functions leads me to believe it must be somehow related.
Please... shoot me more of your thoughts. It is quite perplexing.. Thanks by the way for your help!
Okay DJ.. we are fixed!
For your future reference..here's what I noticed and did.
The growl only occurred when the when the burner was off..as I mentioned. And my wife correctly pointed out to me that it seemed to be blowing cold air more. It did seem to be running too long after the exchanger cooled down..blowing air after it should be shut down.
I opened the control box and checked the motor leads and saw one on heat and one on cool. Now this unit does not have air con so I thought on a lark I'd pull that cool blower terminal and Ta Da!... smooth running and more properly short cycling.
Now , don't ask me why this problem started up now some 15 years after installed but it did. The unit has always been fine and has never been tinkered with.
Possibly it is a control board issue that now decided to start sending a aircon motor signal when it shouldn't?? That's really all I can guess for now.
In any event , she's purring and so is my wife.
I do very much appreciate your help and suggestions.. Thanks! Bill
Excellent, Bill. I'll add your comments to this article series and elsewhere as it may help others.
I'd think about checking for
(Jan 4, 2015) Jackson said:
I have a residential gas boiler heating system that is not just whining, it's howling.
It actually sounds like there are three or more howls going on at the same time and the noise is even throughout the house. The circulation pump appears to be running fine and the heat exchange is not cracked/broken. Any suggestions?
Jackson
Start right at the boiler: if the noise is at or in the boiler I'd shut if off immediately as it may be unsafe.
If the nose is coming from piping check for a failing circulator pump motor.
At HOWLING NOISES in BUILDINGS we include additional examples of howling sounds traced to heating or cooling equipment.
(Jan 6, 2015) Anonymous said:
Thanks DJF, here is an update.
Inspected the boiler again and decided to drain the water out to check how dirty it might be but it came out clear. Can't see any reason that it would howl. Put it together and howling has stopped. ?
Reply:
I can only guess - which is mere arm-waving: that sometimes draining a system will move a bit of debris or dirt, changing an orifice through which water was running.
I'd still be looking at circulators; also see if there's a correlation between howling at the boiler (other than you with laughter at this advice) and temperature or boiler on or off time or boiler pressure. Other howl points might be check valves, zone valves, even air bleeders or piping elbows.
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Thanks for posting this -- it's been helpful to read! My question: The fan runs fine on our AC unit, but the compressor makes a slow, thrummy, WuwWuwWuw sound about every 30 seconds, as if it's trying to start up but can't, and there's no cold air coming out of our vents.
I'm not sure if this is the same as the "humming" described above. Is it possible that this is caused by a loose connection or faulty capacitor? Or should I assume that it's something more serious? - Tiny
Question: Ours has a different sound outside: a sort of huffing and puffing. We only hear it after the unit has been running for a long time. Any ideas? - Herbert Lewis
Question: I saw the q&a about the wow-wow-wow sound but no answer other than tell us what you found. I have had it since it was installed but the heat pump tech said it was normal. I know it was not but gave up. Now it's bothering me more.
Any new/better answers? The wow cycle period is about one second - in radar search antennas we used to call it "hunting." (for the right speed).
There it had to do with control feedback settings, but somehow that doesn't translate to a heat pump unless it means too much coolant. Could that be it? - Dick, 3/11/2012
Herbert: huffing and puffing is a new one to me: an air conditioner compressor making this noise might be reaching an overpressure condition due to a control failure or blockage - let us know what your HVAC tech diagnoses - it will surely help other readers
Sometimes the wowwow sound is from a compressor that is hard-starting. In that case you are hearing the electric motor trying to start against head pressure (or against a binding internal part), perhaps cycling on and off.
Dick, thanks for the question. We're very serious about developing a dictionary of sounds and their diagnosis and cure; but sometimes, especially by text, I just don't quite know what a sound is or even quite what it sounds like.
The wowwow is one of those I'm unsure about in that there are several causes and several sounds that people describe as wowwow wawa. But in this FAQ (just above and continued below) we include some possible explanations and will add others as they crop up.
An on-site an expert might observe something cycling (as you describe) that helps track down the problem.
For example, if you used a mechanic's stethoscope and tracked the sound to a specific part that is emitting the sound (probably a compressor or maybe a thermostatic expansion valve, on occasion a fan motor or bearing) then once we know where the sound is coming from, we can dig into what might cause that part to do that.
For example a part on a system may be making a sound not because that part is itself defective but due to another control.
Reader follow-up:
The sound is LOUD and must be from the compressor itself and passed along via the tubing.. The compressor is outside on the ground level and it is distracting on the floor above (beach house on stilts).
I have a problem with the "expert" idea - the fellow that installed it said it was normal, and I know it is not. Guess I'll have to call in another installer or service person. Or perhaps you can suggest how I go about finding an expert.
Pick up a mechanic's stethoscope (at your local auto supply store).
Go to the piece of equipment, air handler indoors, compressor/condenser unit outdoors, and listen to be sure you're in the right area.
Use the rod in the stethoscope to track the sound to a specific part that is emitting the sound (probably a compressor or maybe a thermostatic expansion valve, on occasion a fan motor or bearing.
Watch out: there are electrocution shock hazards and cut-off finger hazards or other injury hazards from moving parts and live electrical contacts.
While the equipment has to be running if we're going to track down a sound to its emitting part, this process should be performed with great care and by someone with experience to avoid the chances of a serious injury.
Then once we know where the sound is coming from, we can dig into what might cause that part to do that. For example a part on a system may be making a sound not because that part is itself defective but due to another control.
Tiny, it sounds as if your A/C compressor is indeed having trouble starting; It makes sense to be sure all wiring connections are secure
(Watch out: for electrocution shock hazards) but I suspect you need a hard-start/run capacitor kit. I would leave the system OFF until it is repaired. And keep in mind that a hard-starting compressor may be at/near end of its life.
Thanks so much for that input. I've been trying to decide whether it's worth having someone come out to check the capacitor, and it sounds like it might be. I'm not really prepared to pay to replace the compressor or the whole unit this summer, especially since I'm up in Canada, so the A/C is more like a luxury than a necessity. Thanks again! - Tiny
I think it's worth checking for a bad start/run capacitor because if that's the problem it's an inexpensive part and avoids someone selling you a compressor condenser unit that you probably didn't need. Also a bad motor winding can cause similar complaints.
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Below you will find questions and answers previously posted on this page at its page bottom reader comment box.
On 2021-02-15 - by (mod) - sighing noises from the furnace
Donna
Is your siding furnace truly a first warm air heat system?
If so is the noise that you describe is saying coming from the air handler or blower or fan itself or is it coming from a gas or oil burner?
Is the noise from the furnace burner, then that's a more urgent need for heating service as the system could be unsafe.
On 2021-02-15 by Donna
When my furnace cuts off it makes a sound like a big sigh
On 2021-02-1 - by (mod) - whooshing, buzzing, ringing sounds at gas boiler heating system
Often those noises are due to air in the hydronic piping system.
On 2021-02-09 by Anonymous
My upstairs neighbor has a forced hot water gas powered heating system that pumps water into pipes in her baseboard heating. My wife and I live downstairs and we are constantly hearing whooshing, buzzing, ringing sounds. Sometimes the whooshing is pulsing in nature.
Do you have any idea what is causing these sounds from the upstairs neighbors system? Her system has a boiler. That boiler is connected to her heating system. This noise is recent. It started very close to the time our neighbor upstairs had a plumber come in to clean her boiler and replace the air purger. He also added a liquid called Sentinel to the system. And then the noise started occurring. Do you have any ideas as to the source of the noise and what is causing it?
On 2021-01-12 - by (mod) - air leak noise at gas furnace
I really wish I could be of more help but from just your text I don't know if we are hearing an air leak in ductwork, rattling from the loose blower fan or Polly or similar part, or a even more dangerous gas leak. If you have any reason to suspect that there is leaking gas or a fire hazard that you need to shut the heater off immediately. Let me taste it sounds like it's time for a service call.
On 2021-01-12 by katslyjoey@gmail.com
The outside unit for gas furance is making very loud noise it only does it when the furance turns on. It has always made hissing noise for years but this is very different it is louder and it sounds like it is leaking air. My old man says leave it alone it is fine Kathy but oh no i no this is different.
So i thought i would ask one of you before i do something i get in trouble for. I just really don't feel like blowing up and now that those boys don't come down to read it any more who knows what is happening with this thing. Not me.
On 2020-12-03 by (mod) - My dog gets super stressed when the heat pump is on: dog sensitivity to noises
Sure, or a low frequency sound - dogs' hearing is far more sensitive than ours.
On 2020-12-03 by Karen
My dog gets super stressed when the heat pump is on. Could it be a high frequency sound only he can hear?
On 2020-12-04 - by (mod) - moaning heat pump
Donna
Take a look at the noise causes above on this page
And at
HVAC NOISE-5 SCREAM SING TRUMPET WHINE WUWU as some of those sounds can sound like moaning noise as well
On 2020-12-01 by Donna
Less than 2 month old heat pump is making a moaning sounds every now and then. Any ideas
On 2020-11-22 - by (mod) - howling noise at buidling
Unfortunately you or someone is going to have to get close to the suspected howling equipment and either turn it on or off or use a mechanics's stethoscope if the howler is not obvious
See HOWLING NOISES in BUILDINGS
On 2020-11-19 by Bryan
I live in a downtown highrise environment in Downtown San Diego with a number of large buildings around. There is a loud high pitched howling noise coming from somewhere outside. I believe it is related to a piece of equipment on one of the buildings around and usually aligns with warm weather.
I would like to put in a complaint with the city; however, it's difficult to pinpoint where it is coming from and they need an exact address on the complaint form.
Do you have any suggestions on how to pinpoint the source of the noise (i.e. a directional microphone, shotgun microphone, some other type of tool for pinpointing directionality of the sound, or another approach) and also source a measurement to show it is outside of code? Given the tall buildings around, it could be bouncing off something as well. Any help would be much appreciated.
On 2020-10-22 - by (mod) - howling at air conditioning system
Yes it's probably a developing malfunction. Please check out the noise sources including howling sounds on the page above
and also at HOWLING NOISES AT BUILDINGS (live link given just abover for Byran)
On 2020-10-22 by Joyce
We have a new air conditioning system, but right before it comes on, there is a howling noise, only for a few seconds. Is this something we should be concerned with.
On 2020-05-22 - by (mod) - mechanical transmission of vibration from motor to refrigerant line to building framing or wall materials.
Chris
Thank you for the follow-up - that will certainly help other readers.
In sum, I take it that there was mechanical transmission of vibration from motor to refrigerant line to building framing or wall materials.
On 2020-05-18 by Chris - HVAC duct air velocity noise cured
Problem solved. Installers climbed in attic .. all duct looked good
They decided to run new duct line return to get more airflow. Before they did. I said wait you run lineset outside house but hum is still there ir u put up hand on drywall you can feel vibration.
So a thinking man would assume hum coincides with vibration. So they moved until away from house 6" and pulled lineset away from house. BINGO WAS HIS NAMEO. hum vibration gone.
So moving lineset helped 40% but keeping off house decorative track /enclosure was the other 60%. Problem solved . Thank you for your advice .. I hope this helps someone else.
ChrisF.
On 2020-05-17 - by (mod) - HVAC duct air velocity noise
Chris
Thanks for the interesting comments / question on tracking down this HVAC noise.
It makes sense to inspect all of the ductwork for blockages, disconnects, leaks, and also for a duct damper that's restricting flow more than you want.
More subtle is a dirty blower fan or air leak, or a duct that is partly collapsed or blocked by insulation inside the run.
Start by comparing the specifications between old and new units.
Continue with noting the specifications (size, type, routing, condition) of any duct or register changes that were made
Add effects of external factors: windows or doors open or shut, location of registers, etc.
On 2020-05-17 by Chris
Also I never had any vibration with the Lennox 15yr old system it all started with Amana install. So I'm thinking if its a air velocity problem they could have accidentally yanked the 16" return lines and one could be loose on into the attic which is hard to see get to.
On 2020-04-25 - by (mod) - whoosing sounds from ceiling above
Ruth Ann
The sound could be an air handler blower turning on/ off, a cucling condensate drain system, or one of the sounds described on this page, or at HISSING SOUNDS
Note that a power-flush toilet will make a loud whooshing noise when flushed.
On 2020-04-25 by Ruth Ann Castillo
In my room on the third floor, whenever the central air is running, I hear frequent muffled toilet flushing sounds from behind the wall or above ceiling, I can't tell which. It only happens when the central air is on
. I thought my roommate was constantly flushing the toilet but she had not been. I guess they are whooshing sounds and then a ssssss sound right after. I am afraid at what might be wrong with it. Can anyone tell me what is wrong with my central air conditioner?
On 2020-03-14 - by (mod) - A/C - Rattle noise - NOT from outside (ground) A/C - from WALL
David
If you have ruled out an actual fan noise by close inspection of the air handler and the outdoor compressor/condenser unit and focusing as you suggest on the wall, I would look for
- a refrigerant piping section that is transmitting condenser unit vibration noise by rattling or moving at or in the wall. Try just grasping the refrigerant piping (don't bend or pull on it) to see if that dampens the noise.
- loose hardware such as condenser unit mounting bolts or cover securing screws
On 2020-03-14 1 by David
A/C - Rattle noise - NOT from outside (ground) A/C - from WALL
QUESTION: When our A/C is running, there is a RATTLE sound - that sounds EXACTLY like a fan blade / fan motor rattling in the WALL SPACE between our bathroom and the closet (in the bedroom next to the bathroom.
It is close to the OUTSIDE wall, near the ground level air conditioner. There is no access point (cover/opening) to that area.
It is drywall on the closet side and shower stall wall on the other side. From the OUTSIDE, the conduit lines, etc go into the wall under the bathroom window (almost exactly halfway between the two side walls of the bathroom.
WHAT is making the rattle noise? How can it be fixed?
On 2019-11-30 by (mod) - A/C - Heater Off but Blower Keeps Running
Kellie
In the ARTICLE INDEX see the simple diagnostic steps given
at FAN WONT TURN OFF
and
HEAT WONT TURN OFF
Then don't hesitate to ask any follow-up questions that occur to you
On 2019-11-30 2 by Kellie
Our ac/heater is off, but it still sounds like it’s blowing. Why? House and unit are less than 5 1/2 years old.
On 2019-11-05 by Tim
My Lennox heat pump
On 2019-10-06 by Carolyn - high pitched screaming and sounds of water inside
I got a new 8,000 BTU Frigidaire window AC only a month ago and it has been quiet and cooling my small Bedroom without a problem until this morning, it started having high pitched screaming and sounds of water inside when I woke up.
I didn't know if the sounds were coming from the AC right away until it became a continuous screaming that went on for a while and I also heard water inside the AC. It then turned itself off. I left it off for several hours and then turned it on again to see if that would help.
It still had some sounds of water swishing around inside, but it no longer had any screaming on the AC or on the Fan Mode, and it is still cooling the room.
It only sounds now is like there is still water swishing around gently inside like paddling a boat. Is this safe? I usually leave it on all night and during the day and just change it from high to low speed or switch temperature lower or higher if needed.
On 2019-08-17 by (mod) -
Chris take a look at the buzzing noise causes in
HVAC NOISE-1 BANG BUZZ VIBRATE - banging, bearings, buzzing, thumping
and let me know what you think
On 2019-08-17 by Chris
My air handler makes a buzzing sound, like it has a beehive inside.
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