Air conditioner & heat pump controls & switches questions & answers.

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Q&A on Air Conditioning & Heat Pump System Operating & Safety Controls

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Question: HVAC wiring: wire size vs. circuit breaker size

I am wiring a bryant 113a,21/2 ton ac unit. calles for 14 wire 46' run with a 25 amp breaker. My new run is 55'. Should I increse wire size or breaker size. (Jan 27, 2014) george

Reply:

It's always safer to use a heavier gauge wire than to put in a larger circuit breaker. For HVAC equipment, to handle the start-up surge in current draw, it is often permitted to install a one-step oversized breaker but before doing so take a look at the guidance in the installation instructions for your equipment and on the equipment data tag.

And see

CIRCUIT BREAKER SIZE for A/C or HEAT PUMP

DATA TAGS on AIR CONDITIONERS

 

Why do we need a 40A capacity circuit for my new Compressor/Condenser unit ?

I replaced an old Gaffers & Sattler 4-Ton compressor with a new Goodman 4-Ton (SEER 13) unit, but the city inspector is requiring that I replace the exisiting 10-gauge wiring with 8-gauge. He's going by the label on the unit which specifies a Maximum fuse size of 40 Amps.

But the label also specifies a Minimum circuit size of 23.9 Amps, well under the 30 Amp current capacity of the exising 10-gauge wiring.

To me it seems unreasonable to require larger wiring for a newer, more energy-efficient unit of the same size. What do you think? v

Answer by (mod) -

Brad: because A/C equipment causes a brief current draw surge at the time of start-up of the compressor motor, installers are permitted to slightly "over-fuse" the system beyond its running current requirements.

Usually the circuit wiring is sized to the running load amps not the higher value. For an authoritative citation start with the installation manual for your unit as doubtless it includes a wiring size recommendation.

Note this exception: for long wire runs it can become necessary to go to a larger wire size.

More details are in this article OPERATING CONTROLS, A/C & HEAT PUMP

 

What voltages should I see at the reversing valve on my heat pump

Hi,
I have a 2 ton arcoaire hp with a scroll compressor. It just doesn't seem to be cooling correctly and I'm suspecting the control board on the condensor.

The Reversing valve is supposed to be energized on a call for cooling and the correct calls are getting to the board.

R-O-G have 25v on the input taps. If the valve is energized shouldn't the RV tap on the output side have 25v also?

It shows 25 when the thermostat is set to off but nothing when set to cool. Also when I turn the system off it sounds like the valve is moving. It's kind of a deep sigh.

I think it's always done that though. I just can't remember if it was when I turned it on or off. Any way to safely test the valve by jumpering to 25v? Thanks. On 2012-07-25 by Marc

Reply by (mod) -

Marc, I am grateful to see a question that is so far beyond my expertise, meaning guys smarter than me are helping with this website. I just don't know what you ought to see by way of voltage in the case you describe.

I'd use the Arcoaire company's contact information to obtain the installation and service manual and wiring diagrams for the unit model and serial number you have installed. Or call their tech support hotline.

I can see why you're asking us - the company's website studiously and disappointingly avoids making it possible for a customer or anyone else to contact them directly: no address, no telephone, no email, no online documents except product sales descriptions and warranty information - often ten years.

The company does provide a dealer locator web page and some specific dealer contacts (such as Precise Cooling Inc. in Port Charlotte Florida - (941) 626-6916) You should go to the arcoaire website to find the dealer closest to you. arcoaire [dot] com.

Please let us know what you find - what you learn will help other readers.

Thermostat won't turn on the AC: What do the red, yellow, white green and blue wires do at my air conditioner thermostat?

I can not find a model number on the control unit, best I can find is the number 960-130012.

There are the following wires: yellow, red, white, green, blue. 24 AC power to control.

When off 26 volts on red, when heat running 24 v on yellow, blue, and across temperature transistor On 2011-09-03 by miche

Reply by (mod) -

Miche take a look at the wiring articles found under THERMOSTATS (link in our ARTICLE INDEX) for help in understanding the usual color coding on thermostat wiring.

Despite all those wires on your TT, it's basically an on-off switch.

So when you pick the correct wire pair and join them you'd be doing the same as the thermostat in calling for cooling.

I'm not clear on what's meant by your heater will turn on the A/C system.

by miche

i meant that the thermostat will turn the blower correctly for heat but not for cool

by (mod) -

If your heat is from different equipment (that is you have an air conditioner and separate heater not heat pump system) then it sounds as if heat works but your A/C does not. In that case take a look at the diagnostics beginning at LOST COOLING CAPACITY (article link in our ARTICLE INDEX)

 

Question: a repairman came into the wrong house (ours) and messed up our air conditioner

A couple of weeks ago we found that our upstairs A/C unit was leaking water into our garage. At that point everything worked just as it should for heat and air. That is a small problem, but not the pressing issue here.

A few days later, an A/C repair truck showed up at our house saying he was here to fix the A/C and my kids let the guy in to look at it. The problem was that we hadn't called anyone.

The kids tried to contact me, but I was in a bad service area on my way home from work and wasn't aware he had even been there until I got home and he had already left. Apparently he fiddled around with the downstairs unit in the garage for about 20 minutes and supposedly called "me" and found out he was at the wrong address and left.

We didn't know there was a problem until later that night when it became icy cold in the house. Even when we turned the thermostat to off, it kept blowing cold air. We saw a switch on the actual unit in the garage and tried turning that off. It turned off the fan, but then the A/C wouldn't come back on unless we turned the switch back on.

Then we had a couple of days down in the low 40s and needed heat, so we turned the thermostat to heat and flipped the switch back up. I never felt warm air come out of the vent, and just like with the A/C, it wouldn't turn off. The actual thermostat still clicks as though it has reached a temperature to turn on or off, but the fan only blows according to the switch position. The upstairs heat and A/C work fine.

Do you think this misguided gentleman simply disconnected the thermostat from the unit or what, and how do we correct it without calling a service person to our house and spending who knows what?

The kids only saw green letters with A/C and Cooling Repair on the white truck...no company name or anything and the guy didn't give them a card. It will be near 90 later in the week and a working downstairs A/C would be great to have. 5/20/2014 Jennifer McCullough

Reply:

Jennifer, as the Poughkeepsie police sergeant said to Anna M., a woman who complained about the night time noise made by train engineers blowing their whistle at crossings, Well that's one I haven't heard before.

Since the repair person actually did something to your A/C system and didn't take away anything from the home I'll assume it was a somewhat light-headed repair person at the wrong address. Indeed I once entered and began inspecting conditions in the wrong house.

I was joined by a termite inspector - we'd both been given a wrong address of a supposedly unoccupied home - by a realtor. Since two of us had come to the same address we never imagined we were in the wrong house.

Luckily, soon and onlyt by noticing the names on mail lying out on a table did we figure out our mistake.

If there are only a few A/C repair companies in your area you could call around and in your least threatening tone (so as to get cooperation not defense) ask them to check service call records to see who was at your home on the date in question.

Then if you can identify the company speak with the service manager and ask if he'd be kind enough to send over a senior technician to unfoul whatever was fouled up.

It sounds as if someone jury-rigged wiring or subverted a control.

Jennifer McCullough

Thanks. Unfortunately I'm in metro Atlanta/Marietta, GA and there are hundreds of companies, so I don't even know where to begin.

I sent an email to a place that advertises around here to see if they recognize the truck.

Beyond that I don't know what to do. We could probably redo the wiring if we knew where to start because it just seems like the thermostat isn't running the unit any more.

Reply:

Jennifer, if you don't have an idea who was there you're left with having to bring in an independent repair technician. Sorry.

If you want to check wiring of the thermostat, just disconnect the thermostat wires entirely - preferably at the A/C unit as that will exclude the chance of wires shorted together anywhere enroute from the thermostat to the unit.

With the thermostat disconnected you can be certain you're not calling for cooling. If the system still runs a control or control board has been snafu'd.

A/C unit won't run, service tech left a wire disconnected

Last summer, our a/c unit stopped cooling and was blowing heat. we contacted, we later realized was a parts changing service tech. he said he disconnected a wire on a relay and the a/c started working again.

But we later learned because of this, the heater does not work.

Our unit is a a/c-heat pump. I am trying to find the disconnected wire and/or the component he disconnected the wire from, but unable to. any suggestions? the unit is a Bryant. any help would be greatly appreciated.

What can i do to determine if it is the control board or the relay. the thermostat was working at the time. the a/c works fine now, but am trying to get the heater working before winter comes. any ideas about how to troubleshoot? On 2015-09-26 by craig

Reply by (mod) -

Craig:

I'm a bit confused by a repair that simply disconnects a wire. What the heck was the tech thinking? Forcing the heater "off" doesn't fix a problem with a control board or relay or thermostat that was turning on the heater when it should not.

Watch out: Don't just wire it back up. We don't know what was disconnected; you could be making the system unsafe or risking an electrical fire.

In cooling mode the system should not be turning on the heater.

 

After a power outage my heat won't turn on

Power got shut off for 10 min and when turned back on I don't have heat. Everything blowing no heat someone said it needs heat pump breaker reset. Where is that. Rooftop Goodman unit On 2016-01-24 by mark

Reply by (mod) -

Check the service disconnect at or close to the outdoor compressor/condenser unit.

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