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Iron suffide pyrrhotite cracks in a Connecticut Founation  (C) CCAB & Inspectapedia.comFoundation Damage Due to Composition or Inclusions
Foundation Cracks, Spalling, Stains caused by composition, iron sulfide pyrrhotite inclusions, steel, rust

Foundation cracks or spalling due to choice of materials, contents, or inclusions:

Defects in concrete mix (too much water, for example), or defects in placement of steel or iron reinforcement (too close to surface, for example), as well as use of problem materials in concrete such as excessive levels of coal ash, cinders, or pyrrhotite an cause horizontal, vertical, or varied-pattern or "wandering" cracks in masonry or masonry block foundations.

Andrson & Cobb (2008) have reported similar serious structural damage occurring in structures built on top of shale containing pyrite and sulfates, producing severly-cracked foundation walls and floor slabs.

Page top photo of foundation cracks attributed to concrete that included iron sulfide (pyrrhotite), provided courtesy of CCACB - Connecticut Coalition Against Crumbling Basements. This article includes contact information for the CCAB as well as ctiations of authoritative research on the effects of iron sulfide in concrete. Click to enlarged this image and you'll also observe some spalling of the concrete surface.

Experts may refer to random pattern concrete cracks as damage caused by inclusions, iron, Other foundation damage such as rust heaving or staining, frost damage, or spalling may also be due to the specific component mix of the foundation material or for masonry or stone foundations damage may be due to composition, inclusions, or placement of reinforcement in the mortar joints.

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Foundation or Wall Cracking or Spalling Due to Foundation Materials or Contents

 Pyrrhotite ore from the Santa Eulalia Mine, Wikipedia retrieved 2016/11/15

Iron sulfide mineral (pyrrhotite) cracking

Iron sulfide mineral (pyrrhotite) cracking may appear as variegated, "random pattern" cracking in concrete slabs, walls, and foundations whose concrete contains high levels of pyrrhotite. Moisture as well as oxygen react with this iron sulfide material, causing it to swell with tremendous force, causing varied-pattern cracking in the concrete.

Bryant in his thesis describes iron sulfide pyrrhotite cracking damage in several U.S. states including in Canada: Ottawa, in the U.K. in Derbyshire, and in the U.S. in Kentucky, Mississippi, Montana, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and more generally in the U.S. Great Plains area and in the Mississippian and Pennsylvanian shale beds.

Bryant notes that cases of "... heave due to oxidation of pyritic shale have been reported and continue to be reported worldwide. " (Bryant 2003).

[Click to enlarge any image] Photo: Pyrrhotite from the Santa Eulalia mine in Chihuahua, at Wikipedia - retrieved 2016/11/15, original source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhotite

The presence and nature of iron sulfides in mineral ores were discussed in North America as early as 1889 (Bailey), but as a factor in concrete and foundation damage iron sulfides and pyrrhotite were not discussed until there was more widespread of placed or poured concrete in building construction.

Foundation damage from the effects of iron sulfide inclusions has been discussed for more than half a century. Foundation and other concrete damage attributed to unstable iron sulfide was reported in Oslo in 1959 (Moum 1959)

Guillott warned about concrete problems ensuing from properties of some of the aggregates being used back in 1980 (Guillott 1980). Rodrigues and others discussed advanced testing methods to check concrete for mixtures that were at risk of harmful sulphur-bearing aggregates in concrete in 2015, and by 2016 those experts had specified a testing protocol to detect and avoid this trouble (Rodrigues and Ramos 2016).

Most recently pyrrhotite crack-damaged concrete foundations were reported by the New York Times in 2016 in explaining foundation damage in hundreds of U.S. homes in Connecticut.

Iron suffide pyrrhotite cracks in a Connecticut Founation  (C) CCAB & Inspectapedia.com

Above: photo of foundation cracks attributed to concrete that included iron sulfide (pyrrhotite), provided courtesy of CCACB - Connecticut Coalition Against Crumbling Basements.

[Click to enlarge any image]

Concern with the effects of iron sulfide in concrete has been discussed by experts around the world including Australia, Britain, Canada, Ireland, Norway, Russia, the United States (in several states), and other countries.

All of the Connecticut homes affected by iron sulfide inclusion cracking were constructed using concrete provided by the Becker quarry in Willington CT. Becker quarry stone aggregate used in concrete contains high levels of pyrrhotite (iron sulfide).

According to the Times article similar damage has been reported in 4000 foundations of buildings in Quebec.

Iron suffide pyrrhotite cracks in a Connecticut Founation  (C) CCAB & Inspectapedia.com

Above: another photograph of foundation cracks attributed to concrete that included iron sulfide (pyrrhotite), provided courtesy of CCACB - Connecticut Coalition Against Crumbling Basements.

We estimate that these phrrhotite cracks range from 1/8 to 3/16" in width.

But cracking ascribed to pyrrhotite or iron sulfide includsions in the concrete mix are sometimes as much as 1/2" in width according to the CCAB. See the photogarph just below, also provided provided courtesy of CCACB.

How to Diagnose Foundation Damage Attributed to Pyrrhotite Cracking

Iron suffide pyrrhotite cracks in a Connecticut Founation  (C) CCAB & Inspectapedia.com

A spokesperson for the Connecticut Coalition Against Crumbling Basements (CCACB) who contributed photographs to this article commented by email that the owner of the home whose large foundation crack is shown above ..." is not aware of specific rebar or other matters that might affect the damage to that degree. ... the home [was] featured on NBC Nightly News , some homes have reached that degree of separation."

Really? OPINION: it seems likely that there will be differences between the fine cracks in concrete that are manifestations of generally weak concrete attributed to Iron sulfide mineral (pyrrhotite) inclusions ascribed to inclusions and the very large cracks and foundation displacement shown in the photograph.

Where there are big cracks there are additional forces at work such as footing or fill settlement, frost push, frost heaving, expansive clay heaving, construction on fill, inadequate footings, or

even SHALE FILL / HEAVE SETTLEMENT that involves significant settlement or heaving damage to foundations of buildings built on shale containing containing pyrite and sulfates.

Diagnosis of iron sulfide or phrrhotite concrete inclusion damage identification in the field would be aided by a catalog of indicators that could be confirmed visual inspection of the concrete, cracks in the concrete, the crack interior, or by concrete sampletesting. Such indicators could allow homeownes, contractors, and engineers to look at specific building cracks and damage to understand the cause of damage and the extent to which large cracks or foundation movement can be assigned in part or in whole to the inclusions.

For example, if you look inside the cracks with a good light, do we see concentrations of the problem material? Are there characteristivc stains like those identifiedf

at SHALE FILL / HEAVE SETTLEMENT ?

Watch out: Iron sulfide (pyrrhotite) crack pattern is often rather distinctive: look for a somewhat random cracking pattern, with concrete cracks that are wider and more continuous

than SHRINKAGE CRACKS at FOUNDATION WALLS.

Bérard (1975) and more recently Duchesne (2013) and Rodrigues (2012) offer clear explanations of how and why this pyrrhotite cracking damage occurs. We include summaries of the failure mechanism provided by abstracts to or excerpts from these and other articles cited below.

Rodrigues (2012) discusses mineralogical and chemical assessment of concrfete damaged by the oxidation of sulfied-bearing aggregates. But their analysis does not provide a field guide to damage assessment nor a guide to separating distinct causes of large foundation cracks such as the combination

Photos & field damage reports wanted: random foundation crack patterns, Pyrrhotite crack-damaged concrete foundations in Connecticut or Quebec or elsewhere. CONTACT us by email.

Foundation & Structural Damage to Buildings Constructed on Shale Containing Pyrite & Sulfates

Examining how pyrite and sulfites in shale can cause building problems may give added insight to how fragments of these materials may cause trouble when mixed right into concrete as aggregate. Shale formations in at least 20 U.S. states containing various clay and iron sulfide minerals (pyrite) react to water and form mild sulfuric acid causing unstable shale and clay formations.

Structural problems develope as a result of expansive clay soils and heaving. Some heaving damage is traced to pyrite oxidation and sulfate formation while other expansive soil damage is commonly traced to expanding clay soils or expanding clay in shale.
Also

see FOUNDATION FAILURES in CLAY SOIL

Andrson & Cobb (2008) have reported serious structural damage occurring in structures built on top of shale containing pyrite and sulfates, producing severly-cracked foundation walls and floor slabs.

Pyrite oxidation in the Chattanooga Shale has caused serious foundation problems in numerous buildings and structures in Estill County, Ky. Pyrite oxidizes and various secondary sulfates form when excavated shale or shale fill are used in foundations. These secondary sulfates are water- and humidity-sensitive and can form when only minor amounts of water are present in foundation materials.

These sulfates form by crystal growth and expand by volume change, which causes subsequent soil expansion and heaving of any foundation materials when the materials are confined. Several structures have undergone expensive remediation to repair damaged sidewalks, floors, walls, and foundations.

Zones of high concentrations of pyrite occur in the Chattanooga Shale across the state, and these mineral zones may be responsible for the high pyrite content in Estill County. - Anderson & Cobb (2008)

Anderson describes significant foundation and structural damage to three large buildings buit north of Irvine in Estill County, Kentucky in the U.S.: The Carhartt factgory, the Estill County Middle School, and the Marcum and Wallace Hospital auxiliary building.

These buildings are constructed on top of the Devonian Chattanooga Shale formation. Similar swelling/heaving damage to a state highway, KY 499, built over the Crab Orchard Formation (underlying the Chattanooga Shale) was also reported.

The Chattanooga Shale in this area has a high pyrite content, which oxidizes into various efflorescent (powder-like) sulfate minerals.

What is commonly called pyrite swelling is actually a chemical oxidation reaction between groundwater and pyrite. Many sulfates form from this chemical reaction, but two of the most common are jarosite and copiapite. Jarosite, an iron sulfate, is a mineral salt and copiapite is a calcium-iron sulfate with a distinctive yellow color. - op. cit. 

Watch out: other more subtle damage due to settlement, heaving, or floor, wall or foundation movement may be extremely dangerous if it causes dislocations in and damage to gas piping, electrical wiring, heating systems, chimneys, or other building mechanical systems.

In my [DF] opinion even a small dislocation that risks rupturing a gas line risks fire or explosion similar to hazards occurring in earthquake zones.

Visual or Historical Evidence of Building Damage Possibly Related to Construction on Shale Containing Pyrites & Sulfites

Red rust stains on a concrete sidewalk Vassar College Poughkeepsie NY (C) Daniel Friedman at InspectApedia.comIron, Sulfur, & Phrrhotite-Contamiatned Concrete Cracking Failures are further described here.

Concrete Stains and Cracking associated with rusting iron or steel or slag steel inclusions in the concrete material, either by deliberate inclusion as reinforcement, or by accident such as stones or scrap containing iron that are later exposed to water and possibly freezing cycles.

Our red rust stains on the concrete sidewalk shown above were found on the Vassar College campus in Poughkeepsie NY.

Watch out: rusting and exfoliation of iron inclusions in poured concretre structures can lead to very costly damage.

In the U.S., pyrrhotite-contaminated concrete in Connecticut has been blamed on a significant number of foundation failures in homes constructed in the 1980s using iron-contaminated concrete.

The iron or phrrhotite contamination issue is not a new one and has occurred outside the U.S. as well.

Lugg (1996) cites similar damage in Cornwall and Devon in the U.K. between 1900 and 1950.

Where poured concrete cracking is attributed to an internal sulfate attack in iron pyrrhotite-contaminated concrete, such as in the photo below (Geiss 2019) you will notice that red rust staining is not at all visible.

Other tests including as described by Geiss (2019) can however reliably diagnose this condition.

Basement wall cracking ascribed to an internal sulfate attck, pyrrhotite-contaminated concrete in a Connecticut home in the U.S. - Geiss 2019 cited in detail in this article

Research on pyrrhotite-contaminated concrete damage

Internal attack on concrete - sulfur & iron phrrhotite - Geiss 2019 cited in detail at Inspectapedia.com

Visual evidence of buildings for damage and for evidence of pyrite and sulfites as root-cause contributors to this damage included the items listed below. Many of these inspection points of damage could have very different underlying causes.

Technical Evidence of Building Damage Possibly Related to Construction on Shale Containing Pyrites & Sulfites

Technical Explanation of Why Construction on Shale Fill High in Iron Sulfide, Phrrhotite, Pyrites Causes Damage

Anderson explains that construction on shale fill material may be a major contributor to damage, particularly if the fill is subsequently wet by roof or surface runoff. He describes three underlying causes of foundation failure for the buildings studied:

  1. Oxidation of pyrite and growth of secondary sulfates in the shale is listed by the author the primary cause of foundation problems [in this construction area]. A more mechanical explanation is that crystals form in the material, increasing its volume and producing tremendous heaving or expansion forces.

    The sulfates, plus water, also produces mild sulfuric acid that may contribute to foundation failiures. I think similar forces may occur within a poured concrete component high in similar materials as aggregate.
  2. Un-stable soils: shale degrades into clay and sulfate minerals to form an un-stable soil lacking in shear strength.
  3. Construction on shale fill: Anderson explains both why shale fill with these properties causes trouble and also why we may see worse heaving and damage in floor centers and in non-load-bearing partitions.

    ... [Shale fill material high in pyrite and perhaps sulphur] weathers rapidly, and causes the pyrite to oxidize to sulfates very rapidly. The primary cause of these structural failures is pyrite oxidation, also called pyrite swelling, which creates secondary sulfate growth beneath the slab foundation, causing floor heaving, wall and flooring cracking, and structural instability.

    This pyrite oxidation leads to crystal growth that can crack concrete and lift foundations.

    Normally, the load-bearing walls in these structures exert enough load or pressure on the expanding pyrite to balance the strength of crystal growth within the sulfate in the shale, so that the load-bearing walls do not move, but the adjacent slab flooring does move.
    - Op. Cit.

More information on iron sulfide pyrrhotite cracking damage to foundations:

AAR Alkali Aggregate Reactivity Damage to Concrete, US DOT, FHA at InspectAPedia.com

Rust damage at mortar joint in brick wall, Poughkeepsie NY © Daniel Friedman at InspectApedia.com

Foundation Cracking Due to Reinforcing Steel Placement

Rust & Frost Horizontal cracking and heaving may appear at masonry unit (brick or concrete block) mortar joints if leaks cause steel reinforcing mesh or re-bar to rust.

Exfoliating rust has tremendous lifting power as does frost that may damage masonry foundations that are already cracked and then wet. Rust damage may be severe above improperly-sealed steel window & door lintels.

Rust staining and damage may also occur to stone structures due to inclusions in the stone itself.

More information on red stains, rust & frost damage cracking to foundations

Spalling brick wall, Brooklyn NY © Daniel Friedman at InspectApedia.com

Spalling Damage to Foundations

Spalling damage occurs at poorly-mixed concrete walls, floors, slabs, walls.

Spalling damage also occurs on concrete block "cinder block" made from poor-quality material such as using too-little cement or too much aggregate that contains high levels of iron or other contaminants.

Spalling damage occurs in brick foundations when the brick surface has become soft, damaged by sand-blasting, and when it then absorbs water, especially in freezing climates.

This article series provides a guide to identifying & evaluating different types of concrete or masonry foundation, wall or floor cracks in buildings: this article series describes how to recognize and diagnose various types of foundation failure or damage, such as foundation cracks, masonry foundation crack patterns, and moving, leaning, bulging, or bowing building foundation walls.

Foundation cracks and movement are discussed by type and location of foundation cracks, vertical foundation cracks, horizontal cracks, and diagonal foundation cracks, and shrinkage cracking.

 




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Question: my engineer found Pyrrhotite damage, cracks, stains on my 30 year old Connecticut house - I'm not sure he's correct

Red stain from inclusion in a concrete foundation - is this pyrrhotite? (C) InspectApedia.com ML

These are visual inspection photos of my 1990 raised ranch (30 years old). The PE inspector who received his license in February 2020 evaluation determined that this is very possibly pyrrhotite damage.

I'm not an engineer, but based on your photos, my gut is having a problem with that eval. Any thoughts? - Anonymous by private email 2020/11/04

Moderator reply:

Concrete form tie marks on a Connecticut foundation wall (C) InspectApedia.com ML

Above: this opening in a concrete wall is doubtless from a concrete form tie; note that it appears in line with the concrete form joint marks on the foundation wall exterior. These may also be found at the corresponding location inside the building.

I'll look at all of your images again at a more leisurely time. But what I see in the top ones in your photos are concrete form joint marks (shown below) and form tie marks in the wall (shown above).

Concrete foundation form joint marks at a Connecticut home (C) InspectApedia.com ML

From my too-limited view (photos too small, lack detail and I can't be smarter than your on-site experts) for most of your photos, in my OPINION there is little or no damage from an inclusion - perhaps the inspector is inexperienced in the field of concrete and concrete foundations.

In some of your photos there's white effloresence - so there's water involved - EFFLORESCENCE SALTS & WHITE DEPOSITS - shown below.

Effloresence and spalling at the surface of a 30 year old Connecticut concrete foundation wall (C) InspectApedia.com ML

Look for rain splash-up damage along the foundation in this area and for other evidence of gutter overflows.

And one photo (below) has what looks almost like reddish mud (I'd double check that there's not termite mud tubes though this looks more like mud splash).

Red mud or maybe termite tubes ? on a foundation in Connecticut (C) InspectApedia.com ML

Reader follow-up:

That was my thought exactly. I also noticed that the gray epoxy dripped down to the cement cluster that follows the base where floor meets wall calling that honeycombing. That would mean it honeycombed before the epoxy was put on 30 years ago when the house was built.

I’m baffled by his evaluation results that he believes this is a Pyrrhotite issue. I questioned his knowledge as a structural foundation deterioration engineer. He wasn’t happy.

... I'm having my son check it out as I am in Florida at this time. He will also attend the core removal. A 3 inch diameter hole concerns me. Even though they plug it with hydraulic cement, I fear it will still compromise that area since that are is the slab section and has a very short wall. But, I guess for everyone's peace of mind, it has to get done ... I'll send you the results.

Moderator reply:

I went through all of your tiny photos and saw one that has red rust marks from what may be an inclusion - shown below:

Red stain from inclusion in a concrete foundation - is this pyrrhotite? (C) InspectApedia.com ML

That's the only one I could find.

I can't in your one photo rule pyrrhotite inclusion in or out as we lack details and a larger image, but if there is going to be testing this is a spot to test.

Usually if there is a pyrrhotite including problem we see quite a few more such spots in the foundation wall surfaces;

Also I did not see any of the variegated foundation cracks that we show in our pyrrhotite article cited below. (Cracks may be present but I couldn't see them in the images.)

Keep in mind that an occasional bit of slag or even iron scrap gets into concrete and will also cause rust stains on masonry or concrete.

Photos at Foundation Damage Due to Composition or Inclusions - Foundation Cracks, Spalling, Stains caused by composition, iron sulfide pyrrhotite inclusions, steel, rust discussed above on this page.

Other examples of red stains on various masonry surfaces that are not pyrrhotite inclusions but are from other sources of iron are in a photo or two are shown

at STAINS on STONE, STUCCO DIAGNOSE & CURE - including red & rust stains on various types of masonry

I'm not a P.E. though I've had an engineer job title and some of my real-engineer friends call me one too - which I now take as a compliment. But I've taught engineers and architects and I therefore can argue that in a typical undergraduate engineering degree there's little in about residential construction and less on residential construction failures and defects.

Even for a P.E. who is practicing within her area of education and license (such as structural or mechanical) that level of detail usually comes from mentors and from field experience.

Frankly from what I've seen so far I'm a bit worried that this is an example of the OPM problem - see

OTHER PEOPLE's MONEY - consultants spend your money to reduce their risk (of being blamed later for an unlikely outcome)

Considering that you don't want to have the inclusion issue with your home I almost hope that the OPM problem is the case here.

Really? Keep in mind that if a thorough inspection of a 30 year old foundation finds

- no structural cracking (just some surface spalling)

- just one or two red rust inclusion spots

- no signs of structural movement or other damage

then the probability that there is Pyrrhotite inclusion damage to the foundation seems rather small.

Reader follow-up: Photos of foundation sample core drilling to test for pyrrhotite aggregate inclusion damage in Connecticut

OPINION: I’m thinking that it was a political move to protect banks and insurance companies by saying Pyrrhotite aggregate was used in cement and therefore not a natural disaster. Get funds from feds to help homeowners as many walked away.

Below: Photos of the collection of a foundation core sample for lab analysis for Pyrrhotite aggregate damage to the foundation. The contractor uses a concrete core sampling drill to cut a core sample through the foundation wall so as to include one of the red inclusions to be analyzed.

Pyrrhotite damage to foundation: core drilling to test for Pyrrhotite in Connecticut (C) InspectAPedia.com ML ... Pyrrhotite damage to foundation: core drilling to test for Pyrrhotite in Connecticut (C) InspectAPedia.com ML

Below we can see the quality and condition of the cross-section of the concrete foundation wall where this core sample was collected.

Pyrrhotite damage to foundation: core drilling to test for Pyrrhotite in Connecticut (C) InspectAPedia.com ML ... Pyrrhotite damage to foundation: core drilling to test for Pyrrhotite in Connecticut (C) InspectAPedia.com ML

Moderator reply:

Looking at the cross section of the core sample and the core hole drilled and noting the absence of any visible cracks in the concrete the foundation looks pretty good to me where tested.

We'll see what the experts have to add.

Reader follow-up:

Trinity College does the lab work and U. Conn. received $768,000 of a $1.5 million Federal grant.

Here is a copy of the expert's report on the analysis of the concrete core sample for Pyrrhotite aggregate damage.

Below: test results for the concrete core sample described above.

Pyrrhotite contaminant test inconcrete: test results (C) InspectApedia.com ML

Below: placement of the test results for the concrete core sample tested vs. population of prior tests by the same laboratory.

Pyrrhotite contaminant test inconcrete: test results (C) InspectApedia.com ML

Discussion and OPINION of the Engineer's Inspection and Lab Test Results above:

Reader Comment:

I’ve tried to research what those numbers mean, but it seems to get me nowhere. He is saying pyrrhotite deterioration based on the PE’s report because he says mapping.

But doesn’t say whether or not it’s due to shrinkage or other causes.

And the PE wouldn’t say it was caused by pyrrhotite until the core test showed pyrrhotite.

Like they are using one another to satisfy their determinations. That mapping is the size of my hand. I’m at a loss.

Moderator Reply:

Bottom line: the report supports your engineer's conclusion that there is pyrrhotite damage to your foundation. But more needs to be said.

In reaching that conclusion the lab relies on combining two critical bits of data:

1. the lab test for presence of sulphur in the sample that can indicate the presence of pyrrhotite

COMBINED with

2. the engineer's report that there was visual evidence of foundation damage (cracking)

The fact that there is no state or federal standard for pyrrhotite concentrations in concrete nor an official guideline on damage assessment are a situation that we can but accept.

That there is a lot of research on this topic is made evident at https://inspectapedia.com/structure/Foundation_Component_Damage.php to which I add from time to time.

We also don't have federal expositions on the rate at which pyrrhotite-related foundation damage occurs in concrete, doubtless because there are also considerable variables such as environment, variations in the original concrete mix, concrete placement conditions, etc.

But notwithstanding the absence of a quantitative standard, any inspector who works in a community where pyrrhotite- induced foundation damage is a known occurrence, has to be able to report to you the presence or absence of visual evidence of such damage and to inform you about the extent of the damage, the need for repair and the urgency of such repair.

As you doubtless saw at our web article on this, where a foundation is so-damaged it's significant and visually obvious as cracks, movement, as well as bleed-outs at inclusions.

In my OPINION, and considering that your home foundation is decades old, if the foundation is visible - at least on the interior - on all sides, and if there was no evidence of cracking, bulging, bowing, leaning, chipping, or other actual damage, the presence of one or two areas of discoloration, even that suspect iron color, like the less than 1/2" sized spot we could see one one of your (too-small) photos, would not be justification to argue that your foundation is suffering from a pyrrhotite inclusion failure.

All of that reluctance to be clear (by your inspector and by the lab) in the face of the absence of a standard, no prediction of the future, etc. is perfectly understandable in that they are doubtless afraid of being sued for the enormous cost of a foundation replacement in the future should foundation damage appear, even if at present and after more than 20 years of service life, your foundation shows no damage related to the inclusions detected.

From your report, on the un-numbered pages containing plots of sulfur concentration vs "susceptibility loss" they stuck two samples (presumably yours) into their chart showing that maybe pyrrhotite is present (it could be something else as everyone says), but there is not a shred of interpretation offered.

But we're left asking why, if the "expert" is not going to be willing to answer even the most-basic question about the condition of a home, is the expert charging a fee for services or even bothering to come by to look at the home.

It's as if you went to your doctor for a physical exam and she said: well, nice seeing you today! What the hell is that worth? I mean, it's nice and all, but gee whiz. As Harry Truman said, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Even without a standard an inspector can tell you whether or not she or he saw damage.

And even without a standard, a lab ought to be able to tell you that samples in THIS range were found in homes with severe pyrrhotite damage and samples in THAT range were found in homes with no visible foundation damage.

Let me be fair and clear: I have not seen and cannot reliably evaluate your home's foundation by email nor from a few photos and some what seem-to-be evasive foundation reports. The tiny photos are insufficient in almost every regard: lacking detail as well as being considerably less than a complete image coverage of the foundation;

Even without a standard the lab might have helped us interpret their data at least enough to make their report useful.

I'm no expert on this either but as I read their chart, if susceptibility loss on the x-axis is an indicator of the amount of pyrrhotite in the sample AND if this is a linear scale THEN your samples are in the 0-50 range on a 0-250 scale, putting them in the bottom 20% of the data sample.

In your report I found these useful remarks:

1. the chart's graphic symbols describe 3 conditions:

Green square: no concrete deterioration reported

Orange diamond: pyrrhotite present, no concrete deterioration reported

Red circle: pyrrhotite present, concrete deterioration reported

Your two concrete core sample data points MC018A and MC018B are both depicted as red circles and are located in the graph, i.e. "deterioration reported".

However I have not yet found a narrative nor photos describing and justifying a conclusion that foundation damage nor its evaluation for extent or severity nor even if the damage is due to pyrrhotite includsions or something else.

2. For this home (MC018), map (spider) cracking was reported on the homeowner questionnaire.

3. 95% of pyrrhotite-positive concrete that we have tested, that have clear signs of detertioration [sic] due to pyrrhotite (i.e. map cracking, red dots on graph), have magnetic suceptibility values above 14 (10-8 m3/kg).

If I understand this correctly, there's a 95% chance that if your samples measured above 14 on the X-axis scale (Susceptibility Loss) then there will be clear signs of phrrhotite damage - confirming your engineer's opinion.

Observations from photos you provided

The photos you provided are too small, too-lacking in detail and are not comprehensive.

In the area where the core drilling was made there was indeed a reddish inclusion (maybe another was nearby) that might be pyrrhotite but in the photo at that location I could not see any cracking or dislocation of the concrete whatsoever.

Inside the cross section of the foundation where the drilled-out concrete core sample was removed we do not see any cracking or damage whatsoever. (Such could be present but not made visible in the photos).

In your original photos of the foundation I did not see cracked, broken, dislocated sections of the foundation.

I did see form joints, form tie holes, and surface spalling of the concrete in a location and pattern typically associated with a combination of rain splash-up (poor gutter maintenance) and a somewhat soft concrete mix in that area.

In your original photos we can also see some discontinuities in the concrete that may simply be cold pour joints or marks. Those are explained and illustrated

at CONCRETE COLD POUR JOINTS

So now what?

I would want to see that "spider cracking" - how much, where, what pattern, what apparent cause, as indeed some variegated cracks in concrete are indeed due to pyrrhotite inclusions and are distinctive and usually unambiguouis.

and
I would want an actual, real (useful) foundation inspection report including a description of damage found (or not), and an assessment of its impact, typically expressed as evidence of and amount of movement, disclocation, effect on structural connections, and thus ultimately on the need for repair.

I would want an opinion on visual or other evidence of the history of the foundation, its damage and repairs, its envrionment, and of the presence or absence of mitigating or complicating factors. For example, moisture levels and water exposure are factors in the rate of oxidation and rate of onset of damage from pyrrhotite inclusion.

FOUNDATION DAMAGE SEVERITY offers some layperson advice on how someone can make a reasonable assessement of the extent of or severity of foundation damage at a residential structure.

Also

CONCRETE SHRINKAGE CRACKS describes shrinkage cracks and can help you identify these in concrete foundation walls and slabs.

Reader follow-up: better photo of cracks claimed to be due to pyrrhotite aggregate inclusion

Foundation crack pattern - is this due to pyrrhotite? (C) InspectApedia.com MLThis is a better shot [of the foundation cracking that the engineer says is due to pyrrhotite] .

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Your response was very easy to follow. Thank you very much. I appreciate your honest and straightforward opinion.

I accept that pyrrhotite is present. The professor determines which color to fill in the circles, triangles and squares based on the inspectors comment that he sees map cracking.

The prof does not get photos for his study.

The 5% are foundations with pyrrhotite but no map cracking.

Therefore circles are green. It isn’t an exact science but it’s all they have to make definitive determinations.

It’s a tough call. Let’s hope responses are also as intuitive and logical as yours.

Follow-up Questions on pyrrhotite aggregate inclusion damage report

These are the questions I sent to the lab. The ones after the line will be next depending on the response I get. Anything bring up questions you might add?

Pending follow-up questions:

Moderator reply: remove parge coating on foundation to confirm that the cracking is in the foundation itself not its coating

OPINION: I think it would be very worthwhile to explore that area of cracking much more carefully.

If that were my house I would have a mason chip away some of that surface because it's possible that what we're seeing is simply cracks in a parge coating.

On the other hand the coating is removed and we see it's actually cracking in the concrete that would be diagnostic.

Reader reply:

My broker thought the same thing. Unfortunately, the visual evaluation is all they’ll accept. He said map crack and that’s all they need. I would think that the PE Would have done a much more intense inspection before determining the house pretty much worthless. It’s all so sad. 2020/11/16

Moderator comment:

Right but if we had another photo with that material removed the lot of them would be shamed into a more accurate point of view. Or else you and I would discover that there really is cracking in the foundation itself not just it's parge coating.

Reader reply:

My impression is the visual just needed a reason to have me pursue the core test and saying map cracks even though ambiguous or suspicious was all that was necessary to request the core test. Since the core test result was positive for pyrrhotite, the end result verifies his suspicion. Even if it was deemed ok, the fact that it has pyrrhotite means (to them) it could still develop map cracks and detiorate sometime in the future. I believe they would continue to do this no matter what as the more homes testing positive would be used to garner more funding & grants. The Trinity College funded study has been going on for 5 years and they don't know anymore than all the studies done when the Grand Coulee Dam and others were built regarding the effect of alkali-silica aggregates which set the concrete standards back then. They just decided to focus on pyrrhotite rather than the gel type. It appears that scientific studies are not concerned about any other variables or combinations that could be causing this problem. Like all the other real estate scares: lead paint, radon, and mold, we just keep finding things to add to the list. However, structural collapse can't be denied.

Moderator comment:

We should look at the record of time over which py. damage manifests, from construction to appearance. Also what other factors pertaining, such as water exposure, variations in mix, amount of of.

And what does your test tell us about the actual amount and extent of the material of concern in your particular foundation and its mix?

The Salient question is if we have a foundation with no visible damage from this contaminant after some number of years then what is the probability that the damage will appear in the future?

And what other factors such as those I've questioned and others affect that probability?

Reader reply:

I mentioned those to the Prof. They have a blanket general response. You have it and no one can predict what or how much deterioration it will/may get. They will not check or get any other info for the test. Just it’s % of presence. That’s all they are interested in finding out. I just don’t understand how they can qualify it as a scientific study.

Moderator comment:

In my view it's not. It's someone selling a service and taking care to avoid litigation. In my OPINION it's like those signs on the back of highway department dump trucks that read

CONSTRUCTION VEHICLE, DO NOT FOLLOW.

They used to say "Keep Back 200 ft." but some lawywer felt that wasn't safe enough.

So when I am going out of Covid isolation to buy groceries, if I find I"m behind a truck sporting that sign, I have no choice but to turn around and go home. After all, I'm not permitted to "follow" it.

Reader reply:

That sounds right. Once you decide to have the $175,000 basement replacement funded by Govt agency CROCG, the homeowner must waive their right to go after the insurance company. The home owner is responsible to pay for replacement of driveway, deck, pool, patios, lawnscaping, and if you had a finished basement. They can give you a very low interest rate loan. Still a very hefty price tag to put things back the way they were. I would be giving up new windows, flooring, office with kitchenette, TV room, laundry and bathroom. Heartbreaking.

Moderator comment:

You are welcome to print on paper or to a PDF this article that is pertinent

OTHER PEOPLE's MONEY

Reader reply:

Very good article. I made that point to the Town Assessors director, Trinity College, and the PE who did the visual. They saw it as just my opinion. These are educated people who no longer need to think on their own, just push things along because that’s the easiest path.

Moderator comment:

Pyrrhotite cracking (C) InspectApedia.com - questionable crack diagnosisSo we're back to this:

If you want to present the least ambiguous opinion of your own to a future buyer about whether there is credible evidence of whether this is a concern or not for this house,

1. it is absolutely trivial to check that foundation area where there's a photo of cracks, confirm that it's a skim-coat of parging (if it is) and chip it off to see if there are cracks behind it or not.

(Parge coats can shrink and crack independently of the foundation and in fact can sometimes cover up foundation cracks that do not show through the parging - which adds to the value of an inside inspection if the foundation walls are not covered inside with finish materials).

2. and it would make sense to have an independent, complete visual inspection of the foundation to identify all areas of visible cracking or damage with sharp photo documentation - something I can't see in what you've had so far.

I would like to see photos of the result.

Reader reply:

I would do it myself as I would be very careful about checking it out. But I'm in FL now and the house is in CT and I would want to be present.

The $400-$500 cost for another visual is an expense my retirement budget can't afford while I am now paying for rent and a mortgage as well as utilities on 2 places. It is an unseen fiasco. The sale of my home was to provide me with a little bit more financial security and now it is the downfall.

Moderator comment:

Then let it wait until you can be back on the site.

Reader reply:

Probably in the spring. I will have my first great grandson by then. That is so exciting and wonderful.

Moderator comment:

not much value in arguing with anybody about this until you explore the building more-carefully,
cataloging ALL cracks and foundation damage signs, organizing, listing, assessing, diagnosing them properly
and
in the area of your photo, exploring to determine if we're seeing simply cracks in a parge coating or actual foundation cracks.
Do keep me posted

Reader reply:

Yes, it does need to be more thoroughly explored. His evaluation stated, "minor degradation-no repair required" with a sub note: "Petrographic not required but may be submitted to illustrate progressive nature of defective concrete's reaction." They keep you hostage by saying, "we can't predict what will happen in 2 to 30 or more years."

Well, nothing is guaranteed and no one can predict what will happen 2 seconds from now. It's a risk we take whenever we buy or make something. Since he stated "no repair required" I don't think I can even get on a repair list. What he sees could be shrinkage cracks but he's not sure. This is so beyond me.

On 2020-06-24 - by (mod) -

Anon

Before attempting a repair to a spalling foundation we need to be sure we understand what's the cause or what's going on.

Any coating that you put onto a foundation surface is just that a surface Band-Aid. If the problem is coming from the other side or from moisture coming through the wall then that surface coating will not be durable.

On 2020-06-24 by Anonymous

I noticed Foundation Cracks and Spalling on my house built in 1992. Before it gets too bad, can an epoxy be painted on it to preserve the foundation from future damage. I am thinking that it will keep air and water from reacting to it. I also see rust coloring in many spots.

I am thinking it is pyrrhotite. Some of the cement where the spalling is just crumbles in my hand. I live in Western New York

I did see some black paint or something at ground level in some spots. I didn't dig out next to it to see if it goes from ground level to bottom of foundation. Also, if that is an option, would we need to remove all the dirt around the house to apply it?

On 2019-06-06 - by (mod) -

You could nail on expanded metal lath and coat that with a high Portland waterproof cement. However the real problem is water up against the foundation. If you're in a freezing climate you're still risking Frost damage, settlement, or cracking. So you need to get the water away from the building.

On 2019-06-06 by Patty

The concrete on the outside of the garage wall appears to be crumbling. On a shared wall,water sometimes flows in from my neighbor's side. How does one fix or can this be fixed? thank you for yur advice.

On 2019-01-20 by (mod) - spell Pyrrhotite correctly please

Thank you for the comment, Ralph.

As we know from the actual research and authoritative sources cited in the article series

Pyrrhotite Fe(1-x)S (x = 0 to 0.2), a variant of FeS, or troilite is also called magnetic pyrite, as a Wikipedia article notes, "because the color is similar to pyrite and it is weakly magnetic."

I will edit the material to make clear the correct spelling, and for your understanding I add that we deliberately keep mis-spellings of terms in some of our articles because the mis-spelled version is often the search argument entered by many readers:

We want readers to have no trouble finding the correct material even when the word they use to search for Pyrrhotite damage was mis-spelled during a web search.

We welcome your critique, suggestions, and content suggestions: working together makes us smarter.

On 2019-01-20 by Ralph H. Tulis, P.E.

When reading this page:
https://inspectapedia.com/structure/Foundation_Component_Damage.php
I see that you apparently cannot make up your mind as to the correct spelling or pyrrhotite.

Question: cracks caused by power washing the structure?

4/7/14 Becky said:

My question is this: Are hairline cracks (with water staining) that are in line with the mortar in a cinder block wall in a basement considered evidence of "STRUCTURAL COMPROMISE"?

Here's why I ask:

1. From 2002 when my husband bought the house to Feb 2014, we had NO water in the basement (80 yr old house w/ French drain and sump pump).

2. In early Feb 2014, our tenant informed us of a small amount of water coming in through these hairline cracks and sent the picture. He cleaned it up and the water never returned.

3. When we were preparing the house for sale, I had two contractors look at the the water-stained cracks, along with several other items to be addressed -- both said the cracks (now bone-dry, in a bone-dry basement) were "not a big deal" and could be readily addressed with caulking, priming, painting (actually only one mentioned caulking) -- which I've learned is regarded as routine maintenance.

4. The same day the contractor came to work in the basement, I had another service person cleaning windows -- his assistant was power-washing the exterior of the house.

Although I had asked them to avoid that side of the house where the cracks were until we were sure what was going on (the one contractor was concerned about the window above the cracks, turned out not to be a problem),

(A) the seal was not secure between the faucet and hose to the power-washer (spraying water in all directions),

(B) the faucet was about 1.5' from the window/wall in question, and

(C) the power-washer seemed to be going at it full-force 6 hours+ -- a 1100 sq foot house.

(I've since learned this should have taken about 1.5 hours, also that it's not the best idea to do it when the ground is frozen -- we live in Maryland, where we've been hit with a lot of very cold weather, snow, etc.)

I called a waterproofing company (with GREAT reviews, A+ BBB rating) who said immediate cause of the damage was the sudden, rapid influx of HUGE amount of water. They also updated our drainage system. Never mentioned structural compromise in that wall.

Reply:

"Structural compromise" is an undefined term.

A structural engineer will typically aver that masonry structures are not supposed to crack, and that any crack is a "failure". But an experienced foundation engineer, mason, or someone with similar expertise will usually make a distinction between cracks and movement that are an urgent threat to the structure, those that need monitoring, and those that need prompt repair to prevent a catastrophe.

And no such prescription would ge complete without understanding the cause.

It is possible that water under, against, and around a foundation combined with freezing would cause cracks; but just "cracks" is far too vague to reach such a conclusion. The size, shape, location, pattern, and site history and other factors need to be understood before one can ascribe a cause to a masonry crack.


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