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CHIMNEY INSPECTION DIAGNOSIS REPAIR

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CHIMNEY HEIGHT & CLEARANCE CODE
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Chimney Inspection Checklist
Chimney Inspection: Flue Interiors
ChimScan: Inspecting Flues by Cameras
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CO2 TOXICITY
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CREOSOTE FIRE HAZARDS

Dead End Chimney Flue Hazards
Definitions of Chimney Types & Parts
DIRECT VENTS / SIDE WALL VENTS
DRAFT HOODS - gas fired
DRAFT MEASUREMENT, CHIMNEYS & FLUES
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EFFLORESCENCE, Salts & White / Brown Deposits
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FIRE CLEARANCES INDOORS
Fire Clearances for Masonry Chimneys
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FIRE CLEARANCES, Single-Wall Metal Flues
Fire Clearance Wood & Coal Stove Flues
FIREPLACES & HEARTHS
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Flue Tile Damage in Chimneys
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Metal Chimneys & Flues
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Moisture / Frost Damaged Chimney

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STAINS on/near CHIMNEYS

Three-Sided Chimneys: Problems
Transite Pipe Chimneys & FlueS

UNLINED FLUE INSPECTIONS

WOOD, COAL STOVES & FIREPLACES
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Rust on metal chimneys (C) Carson Dunlop Explanation of Chimney Wet Time & Metal Chimney Corrosion
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  • Chimney inspection advice includes detailed attention to rust, pitting, corrosion on metal chimneys

Chimney wet time: definition of chimney wet time. Modern metal chimneys, regardless of the metal used or other chimney construction details, there is much greater potential for condensation and corrosion.. Here we give an explanation of hidden safety hazards caused by rust and corrosion of metal chimneys and flues. These articles on chimneys and chimney safety provide detailed suggestions describing how to perform a thorough visual inspection of chimneys for safety and other defects. Chimney inspection methods and chimney repair methods are also discussed.

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Wet time and Corrosion in Chimneys and Vents

Also see CONDENSING BOILERS/FURNACES DAMAGE.

Recommended venting systems with draft hood appliances were developed in the 50's for atmospheric aspirated appliances. The efficiencies were low and approximately 35% of the energy input was wasted.

Newer mid-efficiency Category I appliances have a much lower flue gas temperature and reduced off-cycle losses.

These new furnace designs alter the vent gas temperature, dew point temperature, flow rate and dilution air in the vent.

The result is that in modern metal chimneys, regardless of the metal used or other chimney construction details, there is much greater potential for condensation and corrosion.

Factors that control the degree and duration of wet conditions in metal chimneys and vent systems are critical to the life of the appliance.

The Gas Research Institute Venting Project reported (and subsequently published in the 1996 National Fuel Gas Code) the following venting occurrences:

  1. The reduced dilution air increases the chances of more condensate to form in the vent.
  2. Reduced flue gas temperatures result in oversized vents not heating quickly which contribute to increased condensation.
  3. Reduced dilution air increases the maximum capacity of a vent.

Rust on metal chimneys (C) Carson DunlopWettime or "wet time" is the time measured after start up that the flue wall temperature is below the dew point The "Wettime" of a mid-efficiency appliance is double that of a draft hood appliance.

Therefore, during the flue heat up time condensation forms inside the connector or flue. This moisture can dislodge soot products inside the flue which will fall to the bottom of the chimney or connector and become a corrosive media.

Rust and pitting: While rust is not as likely on a stainless steel chimney, corrosion can occur because of the corrosives in flue gases and in moisture that may develop inside of a chimney.

 

Carson Dunlop's sketch (above) warns us to inspect metal chimneys (of all types) for signs of rust and pitting.

Because metal flues corrode from the inside out, and because we on occasion find leaks between the layers of multiple-wall metal chimneys, discovery of these damage signs is important in evaluating chimney safety.

we have observed leaks and corrosion of metal chimneys from interior corrosion (described above) and also on occasion we have found exterior leaks into the interstitial space between the chimney walls due to loss of the rain cap or improper exterior installation or flashing.

Even a small amount of visible pitting on the exterior of a metal chimney or flue is likely to mean that the components are unsafe and need replacement.

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Metal Chimneys & Flues
  Bracing for Metal Chimneys
  Class A Chimneys, MetalBestos™
  Connecting Metal Chimney Sections
  Continuous metal chimneys
  Definitions of Chimney Types & Parts
  Fire Clearances for Metal Chimneys
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  • Carson, Dunlop & Associates Ltd., 120 Carlton Street Suite 407, Toronto ON M5A 4K2. (416) 964-9415 1-800-268-7070 info@carsondunlop.com. Thanks to Alan Carson and Bob Dunlop, for permission to use illustrations from their publication, The Illustrated Home which illustrates construction details and building components. Carson Dunlop provides home inspection education including the ASHI-adopted Home Inspection Training Program (home study course), publications such as the Home Reference Book, report writing materials including the Horizon report writer, and home inspection services. Alan Carson is a past president of ASHI, the American Society of Home Inspectors.
  • Thanks to Luke Barnes for suggesting that we add text regarding the hazards of shared chimney flues. USMA - Sept. 2008.
  • Arlene Puentes, an ASHI member and a licensed home inspector in Kingston, NY, and has served on ASHI national committees as well as HVASHI Chapter President. Ms. Puentes can be contacted at ap@octoberhome.com
  • Roger Hankey is principal of Hankey and Brown home inspectors, Eden Prairie, MN, technical review by Roger Hankey, prior chairman, Standards Committee, American Society of Home Inspectors - ASHI. 952 829-0044 - hankeyandbrown.com
  • Gas Research Institute Venting Project is cited at www.energyd.com/gas_vent.htm and its results are reflected in the National Fuel Gas Code cited just below.
  • NFPA 211 - Standards for Chimneys & Fireplaces, NFPA 211: Standard for Chimneys, Fireplaces, Vents, and Solid Fuel-Burning Appliances, 2006 Edition (older editions and standards are found at the same bookstore)
  • NFPA #211-3.1 1988 - Specific to chimneys, fireplaces, vents and solid fuel burning appliances.
  • NFPA # 54-7.1 1992 - Specific to venting of equipment with fan-assisted combustion systems.
  • GAMA - Gas Appliance Manufacturers' Association has prepared venting tables for Category I draft hood equipped central furnaces as well as fan-assisted combustion system central furnaces.
  • National Fuel Gas Code, an American National Standard, 4th ed. 1988 (newer edition is available) Secretariats, American Gas Association (AGA), 1515 Wilson Blvd., Arlington VA22209, and National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), Batterymarch Park, Quincy MA 02269. ANSI Z223.1-1988 - NFPA 54-1988. WARNING: be sure to check clearances and other safety guidelines in the latest edition of these standards.
  • Fire Inspector Guidebook, A Correlation of Fire Safety Requirements Contained in the 1987 BOCA National Codes, (newer edition available), Building Officials and Code Administrators International, Inc. (BOCA), Country Club HIlls, IL 60478 312-799-2300 4th ed. Note: this document is reissued every four years. Be sure to obtain the latest edition.
  • Uniform Mechanical Code - UMC 1991, Sec 913 (a.) Masonry Chimneys, refers to Chapters 23, 29, and 37 of the Building Code.
  • New York 1984 Uniform Fire Prevention and Building Code, Article 10, Heating, Ventilating, and Air Conditioning Requirements
  • New York 1979 Uniform Fire Prevention & Building Code, The "requirement" for 8" of solid masonry OR for use of a flue liner was listed in the One and Two Family Dwelling Code for New York, in 1979, in Chapter 9, Chimneys and Fireplaces, New York 1979 Building and Fire Prevention Code:
  • "Top Ten Chimney (and related) Problems Encountered by One Chimney Sweep," Hudson Valley ASHI education seminar, 3 January 2000, contributed by Bob Hansen, ASHI
  • Chimney Inspection Checklist, Carson Dunlop, Associates, Toronto, Ontario
  • "Rooftop View Turns to Darkness," Martine Costello, Josh Kovner, New Haven Register, 12 May 1992 p. 11: Catherine Murphy was sunning on a building roof when a chimney collapsed; she fell into and was trapped inside the chimney until rescued by emergency workers.
  • "Chimneys and Vents," Mark J. Reinmiller, P.E., ASHI Technical Journal, Vol. 1 No. 2 July 1991 p. 34-38.
  • "Chimney Inspection Procedures & Codes," Donald V. Cohen was to be published in the first volume of the 1994 ASHI Technical Journal by D. Friedman, then editor/publisher of that publication. The production of the ASHI Technical Journal and future editions was cancelled by ASHI President Patrick Porzio. Some of the content of Mr. Cohen's original submission has been included in this more complete chimney inspection article: InspectAPedia.com/chimneys/Chimney_Inspection.htm. Copies of earlier editions of the ASHI Technical Journal are available from ASHI, the American Society of Home Inspectors.
  • Natural Gas Weekly Update: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/ngw/ngupdate.asp Official Energy Statistics from the U.S. Government
  • US Energy Administration: Electrical Energy Costs http://www.eia.doe.gov/fuelelectric.html

Books & Articles on Building & Environmental Inspection, Testing, Diagnosis, & Repair

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  • Fireplace & Chimney Design, Repair Books - Fireplaces, Chimneys: design, repair
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  • Ceramic Roofware, Hans Van Lemmen, Shire Library, 2008, ISBN-13: 978-0747805694 - Brick chimneys, chimney-pots and roof and ridge tiles have been a feature of the roofs of a wide range of buildings since the late Middle Ages. In the first instance this ceramic roofware was functional - to make the roof weatherproof and to provide an outlet for smoke - but it could also be very decorative.
    The practical and ornamental aspects of ceramic roofware can still be seen throughout Britain, particularly on buildings of the Victorian and Edwardian periods. Not only do these often have ornate chimneys and roof tiles but they may also feature ornamental sculptures or highly decorative gable ends. This book charts the history of ceramic roofware from the Middle Ages to the present day, highlighting both practical and decorative applications, and giving information about manufacturers and on the styles and techniques of production and decoration.
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  • Chimney Inspection Checklist, Carson Dunlop, Associates, Toronto, Ontario
  • Chimney & Stack Inspection Guidelines, American Society of Civil Engineers, 2003 - These guidelines address the inspection of chimneys and stacks. Each guideline assists owners in determining what level of inspection is appropriate to a particular chimney and provides common criteria so that all parties involved have a clear understanding of the scope of the inspection and the end product required. Each chimney or stack is a unique structure, subject to both aggressive operating and natural environments, and degradation over time. Such degradation may be managed via a prudent inspection program followed by maintenance work on any equipment or structure determined to be in need of attention. Sample inspection report specifications, sample field inspection data forms, and an example of a developed plan of a concrete chimney are included in the guidelines. This book provides a valuable guidance tool for chimney and stack inspections and also offers a set of references for these particular inspections.
  • Fireplaces, a Practical Design Guide, Jane Gitlin
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  • NFPA 211 - Standards for Chimneys & Fireplaces, NFPA 211: Standard for Chimneys, Fireplaces, Vents, and Solid Fuel-Burning Appliances, 2006 Edition (older editions and standards are found at the same bookstore)
  • Principles of Home Inspection: Chimneys & Wood Heating (Principles of Home Inspection), Carson Dunlop
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  • Brick Institute of America - Flashing Chimneys
    Brick Institute of America - Proper Chimney Crowns
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