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Leak stains around an air conditioning ceiling register (C) Daniel Friedman

Heating or Air Conditioning Duct Ice-up, Duct Flood Damage, Duct Water Leaks & Mold
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  • Frost or ice build-up in heating or air conditioning ducts is often mistaken for a roof leak
  • What causes water or frost or ice formation in HVAC ductwork
  • Ice and condensate problems in air conditioning duct work, why it forms, how bad it can get, how to prevent it
  • Photographs of water contamination in air conditioner or heating duct work
  • Questions & answers about the detection, cause, effects, and cure of water or ice formation or flooding in HVAC ducts

Here we discusses the problems of condensation, water, or ice formation in heating or air conditioning system duct work.

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Causes of Condensation, Water or Ice Formation in Duct Work, What Happens, How to Prevent Condensate, Icing, Leaks in & From Ducts

Warm Indoor Air Convection Currents Entering Cool HVAC Ducts

Leak stains around an air conditioning ceiling register (C) Daniel FriedmanOur page top photo, courtesy of Indoor Air Care, shows water inside of flexible ductwork. Are these due to roof leaks, condensate leaks into the duct system from the air handler, or condensate due to convection air currents entering the HVAC duct during the heating season?

Readers should also see WET CORRODED DUCT WORK and see FROST BUILD-UP on AIR CONDITIONER COILS where we describe build-up of ice on the cooling coil in air conditioning air handler units. Also see TRANSITE PIPE AIR DUCTS where we describe flooding of HVAC ductwork in slabs. Contact us to suggest text changes and additions and, if you wish, to receive online listing and credit for that contribution.

In freezing climates such as New York where some homes route their top floor HVAC ducts along the attic floor, sometimes that ductwork is not well insulated and just as it gets too hot in summer (increasing the cost of air conditioning), in winter the same ducts become too cold, increasing heating costs.

But something else funny can happen in homes with attic ducts that are used only for air conditioning.

One of our clients called us to investigate a claim that had resulted in litigation against the company who had installed a new roof on their home.

The owner claimed that the roof was leaking. The roofer claimed that the roof was perfect. What was curious was that the roof "leaked" only at the end of winter, and at times when there had been no rain and when there was no melting snow on the rooftop.

What we observed was the following causes of ice in the air ducts:

  • There were leak stains at most of the top floor air conditioning ceiling-mounted supply registers. (Photo at left)
  • There were leak stains at the top floor ceiling mounted return air register
  • The home had hot water baseboard heating and used its ductwork only for air conditioning during the summer
  • The home had a problem of chronic basement water entry and was in general pretty damp, even in winter
  • Inspecting the home's attic and the duct work in the attic I was astonished to find that in the dead of winter the ducts had about 2" of solid ice in the bottom of the ductwork! Ice was thickest closest to the supply or return registers and was thinnest in the middle of the duct runs
  • [Have you guessed yet?]
  • Inspecting back out of the attic and at the supply registers on the second floor, all of them were open - which is pretty common - few people think to close off un-used air conditioning supply registers in winter.

The duct ice problem was occurring because warm moist air was circulating by convection during winter, rising up into both the supply and return registers, flowing through the duct work, and leaking out of an open air handler. As the warm moist air entered the attic, the ducts were absolutely freezing cold. Moisture first condensed, then formed ice inside the duct system.

Ice accumulated in the duct system throughout the winter a little at a time, until it was several inches thick.

When the weather warmed all that ice in the ducts melted and leaked back out into the upper floor in a stunning flood. The owners, who were not thinking particularly clearly about whether or not it was raining or whether or not there was melting snow on the roof, saw that it was "raining inside" out of their air conditioning ducts and through other ceiling locations (since the ducts were not water tight there was leakage out of the ducts at other areas besides just at the supply and return air registers.

The solution to this problem had these components:

  1. Close off all of the (no longer in use) ceiling mounted supply and return ducts at the end of the air conditioning season since they were not needed for heating. This stopped the flow by convection movement of warm house air into the un-used A/C duct system. (Warm air rises up into a cool space.)

    WARNING: DO NOT close off air duct registers if your ductwork is being used for warm air heating in cold weather.
  2. Identify the sources of building leaks, high building moisture levels, or ongoing water problems such as basement water entry and fix them so that the building is not abnormally damp. (Stop providing high levels of moisture un-wanted in house air.)
  3. Support flexible ductwork properly - be sure that flex-duct is not hanging or sagging in crawl spaces and attics - sags will easily collect water and are potential mold harbors as well.

The roofing contractor was happy with this solution and the building owner was relieved as well. Perhaps because their roof had previously been leaking, before it was replaced, when they saw water coming through their top floor ceilings they thought that it was still leaking. Of course the ice in ducts problem won't occur in homes which use the same duct system for winter heating, nor will it occur in climates where freezing weather is uncommon, though we still might see some surprising in-duct condensation in some cases.

Water or Condensate Leaks into HVAC Ductwork

Water leaks into rooftop commercial ducts are common if the ducts were not properly installed and sealed against the weather. Especially when duct insulation is located inside of the HVAC ducts water leaking into the system invites mold and pathogenic growth in the HVAC system.

Water leak stains on HVAC duct interior (C) Daniel Friedman Water leak sources on rooftop ducts (C) Daniel Friedman

Our photos show water stains on duct interior insulation (above left) and ponding on a tar-coated rooftop commercial HVAC duct system (above right).

Central HVAC humidifiers may also leak into air handlers and ductwork

If you are using a central humidifier, typically turned on during dry winter months, be sure that it is not leaking onto your furnace heat exchanger - a source of costly damage and potentially a dangerous rust hole and heat exchanger leak of carbon monoxide into building air.

An improperly located or mal-adjusted central humidifier can blow excessive moisture into the HVAC duct system, a potential source of duct damage or mold growth in the air handling system.

Central Air Conditioning Cooling Coil Condensate May also leak into air handlers and ductwork

It's common, especially in very humid areas, for condensate to blow off of the cooling coil and into the HVAC duct system. See BLOWER LEAKS, RUST & MOLD for details. As reader Joe Hartoebben pointed out, this problem may be more serious if the air handler's condensate drain pan and drain piping are not working properly as the combination of high humidity (typical for example in Florida) and inadequate condensate handling will invite the blower to send condensate water droplets blowing down the duct system.

Building Floods May Include HVAC Ducts

Mud in a building air duct after building flooding (C) Daniel FriedmanBuilding floods may wet HVAC duct interiors, especially ducts located on lower building floors or in basements and crawl spaces.

Our photo (left) shows mud in the metal duct work in a residential basement of a home that had been flooded.

Following flood exposure metal ductwork should be inspected, cleaned, and sanitized.

Flex-duct that has been wet for any reason should be replaced.

Question: I Fixed Condensation Problems in my HVAC Ducts, but Now I Have Metal Chimney Condensation To Cure

First I must thank you for your article on condensation in conditioner ducts that are in the attic and not used for heating (WATER & ICE IN DUCT WORK). I had the same problem as in your article and had several AC techs and a P.E. look at the problem and not one of them could come up with answer.

Since I blocked the return and register grills the problem disappeared. Perhaps you could suggest an answer to another problem.

I have a gas boiler and a separate gas hot water heater in the basement. I have a metal chimney into which they are connected. The chimney goes up through the roof. The chimney extends about three feet below where the boiler flue and gas flue are connected. I am getting condensation dripping out of the bottom of the chimney pipe - there is not a large amount and it appears to be coming down the inside of the chimney and then leaking out. Any suggestions? Thank you for your help. F. D. - Mattituck NY

Check These Chimney Safety Worries First

A competent onsite inspection by an expert usually finds additional clues that help accurately diagnose a problem. That said, here are some things to consider:

  • You will want to be sure to distinguish between a water or rain leak into the flue - a problem you'd fix by fixing a chimney cap or flashing - and a chimney leak due to condensation (occurs where there's no rain nor melting snow)
  • If it's condensation there is either a chimney problem (too cold, wrong flue size) or an equipment operating problem (insufficient combustion air or draft or a similar problem) - details are at Wet time & Corrosion in Chimneys, Vents

Watch Out: I'm afraid that those conditions are likely to be unsafe and could include a carbon monoxide hazard - so be sure you've got working CO detectors

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  • Carson, Dunlop & Associates Ltd., 120 Carlton Street Suite 407, Toronto ON M5A 4K2. (416) 964-9415 1-800-268-7070 info@carsondunlop.com. Thanks to Alan Carson and Bob Dunlop, for permission to use illustrations from their publication, The Illustrated Home which illustrates construction details and building components. Carson Dunlop provides home inspection education including the ASHI-adopted Home Inspection Training Program (home study course), publications such as the Home Reference Book, report writing materials including the Horizon report writer, and home inspection services. Alan Carson is a past president of ASHI, the American Society of Home Inspectors.
  • Thanks to Indoor Air Care Corp., for their photograph of flooded flex-duct. The Southhampton NY company can be reached at 866 580-MOLD
  • Thanks to Joe Hartoebben, Hartoebben Integrated Services, for suggesting possible sources of condensation or moisture found on overhead ceiling registers in an air conditioning ductwork system.

Books & Articles on Building & Environmental Inspection, Testing, Diagnosis, & Repair

  • Our recommended books about building & mechanical systems design, inspection, problem diagnosis, and repair, and about indoor environment and IAQ testing, diagnosis, and cleanup are at the InspectAPedia Bookstore. Also see our Book Reviews - InspectAPedia.
  • Complete List of Air Conditioning & Heat Pump Design, Inspection, Repair Books at the InspectAPedia Bookstore.
  • Home Reference Book - Carson Dunlop The Home Reference Book - the Encyclopedia of Homes, Carson Dunlop & Associates, Toronto, Ontario, 2010, $69.00 U.S., is available from Carson Dunlop. The Home Reference Book is a bound volume of more than 450 illustrated pages that assist home inspectors and home owners in the inspection and detection of problems on buildings. The text is intended as a reference guide to help building owners operate and maintain their home effectively. InspectAPedia.com ® author/editor Daniel Friedman is a contributing author. Field inspection worksheets are included at the back of the volume.
  • Modern Refrigeration and Air Conditioning, A. D. Althouse, C.H. Turnquist, A. Bracciano, Goodheart-Willcox Co., 1982
  • Principles of Refrigeration, R. Warren Marsh, C. Thomas Olivo, Delmar Publishers, 1979
  • "Air Conditioning & Refrigeration I & II", BOCES Education, Warren Hilliard (instructor), Poughkeepsie, New York, May - July 1982, [classroom notes from air conditioning and refrigeration maintenance and repair course attended by the website author]
  • Refrigeration and Air Conditioning Technology, 5th Ed., William C. Whitman, William M. Johnson, John Tomczyk, Cengage Learning, 2005, ISBN 1401837654, 9781401837655 1324 pages
  • Carson Dunlop, Associates, Toronto, have provided us with (and we recommend) Carson Dunlop Weldon & Associates' Technical Reference Guide to manufacturer's model and serial number information for heating and cooling equipment ($69.00 U.S.).
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