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Radiant heat garage floor (C) D Friedman Thermal Mass Trade-Offs: Heating vs Cooling, Insulated vs Un-insulated Floor Slabs

  • THERMAL MASS TRADEOFFS, HEATING vs COOLING - CONTENTS: How to use thermal mass with radiant heating systems. When or in what climates should we insulate below the slab of a radiant heat floor design? When or in what climates is it better not to insulate below the floor slab in a radiant heat design? What is the "mass effect" in buildings or "mass-enhanced R-value?" How does thermal mass interact with or balance out against thermal insulation in buildings? Compare high thermal mass and low thermal mass wall designs of the same R-value.
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Thermal mass in buildings - trade-offs:

This article discusses the pros and cons of insulating under floor slabs where a radiant floor heating system is to be installed. We address the question of finding the balance between obtaining a building cooling benefit through an un-insulated floor slab and the heating costs for an in-slab radiant heat design without under-slab insulation.



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Radiant floor heating vs cooling: what about a balance between summer cooling and winter heating

Our page top photo (above) shows our friend Steve and his dog as they were explaining the radiant heat tubing layout in the new garage floor slab of a Minneapolis MN home. These radiant heat and thermal mass design articles describe how to substantially reduce building energy usage and costs: building heating and cooling costs, electric bills, and heating fuel bills.

Questions:
Radiant floor heating and cooling: what about a balance between summer cooling and winter heating?
When is it good design to omit insulation below a radiant-heated floor slab?

Slab temperature contours (C) U Minnesota used with permissionIn south central Tennessee near Alabama we are building a small 1700 ft2 home. Three sides and the roof are completely enclosed in hillside soil with a 2 feet of soil over roof. We are installing radiant floor heating with an air handler back-up. Both will be hot water heated via wood burning boiler.

We have an annual temperature range from the low teens to the high nineties (degrees F). Our intention is to employ edge insulation but NOT floor insulation on the concrete slab floor. Our thinking is this will allow for radiant cooling in the summer and we will “pay” a manageable cost in performance during the winter.

We are pouring in two weeks and would greatly appreciate a response to this question: ARE WE ABOUT TO MAKE A BIG MISTAKE? Thanks. Sincerely Jim and Larry - Homeowners doing the work.

Our illustration (above left) gives "A corner perspective view of one quadrant of a frost-protected shallow foundation showing filled experimental temperature contours on the slab surface; on the exterior stem wall surface (underneath the vertical insulation); and, on a plane containing the base of the stem wall and the underside of the horizontal wing insulation." (Image & quotation courtesy of Energy Systems Design Program, University of Minnesota [6], used with permission.)

Reply: Match the building insulation plan and heating and cooling design to the climate

Steven Bliss & Daniel Friedman

Jim and Larry, your project is far enough south that the benefit from cooling, using the earth as a heat sink or a source of cooling in hot weather may outweigh the cost of heating in cool weather.

I [DF] have been very critical of uninsulated slabs in cold climates where the heating load is significant (see RADIANT HEAT FLOOR MISTAKES) . But I did not intend to suggest that in a climate where cooling costs are high that the data works out to the same conclusion nor that all buildings should have the same design regardless of climate.

Radiant Heating vs Radiant Cooling Floor Design Contrasts

Just to get a technical point out of the way, while we may speak of "radiant heating," it does not quite work the same way to speak of "radiant cooling". That is, a warm floor surface may heat surrounding objects by radiant heat and slowly heat the entire room - a method that many homeowners say is quite comfortable. But during hot weather a cooler floor doesn't "radiate" coolness - it won't blow cool air as does a conventional air conditioner or heat pump, and more importantly, it won’t dehumidify which is as important for comfort as the air temperature in hot, humid climates.

A large, warm floor surface has an easy time radiating heat to other objects in the room, and also slowly heats air near the floor surface which circulates naturally due to convection. The other warmed surfaces also heat air, slowly raising the rooms air temperature. In addition, the warm floor radiates heat directly to the people in the room, making them feel warmer – the same way you feel warmer in the sunshine vs. than in the shade with the same air temperature. This effect of radiant warmth is quantified as a room’s “mean radiant temperature,” independent of the air temperature. Direct warming of your feet also adds to the comfort of radiant floor heat.

Conversely, a large cool surface lowers the radiant temperature in a room. You can experience this radiant cooling effect by walking by a large cool rock in the shade on a hot day. In this case, you are radiating body heat to the rock. A cool surface under your feet can also make you feel cooler (like walking on cold bathroom tiles on a hot day). Also, if the floor is cool enough,  heat radiating from hot or warm objects in the room will find some absorption by the cooler floor surface. So the room is radiating heat back to the floor, though I suspect with less efficiency in cooling mode than in heating mode. Why?

One reason is that air cooled by contact with the floor will not circulate upward by convection, but tend to sit on the floor – that’s why the supermarket can have open-top coolers for many items. Cool air near the floor also raises the relative humidity of air near the floor, possibly leading to condensation and mold growth on the floor – especially if there is carpeting. Whenever the dew point of the air is below the temperature of the floor surface, condensation will occur – a likely scenario in a humid climate such as yours. In addition, having cold under your feet, but warm, humid air in the room does not sound all that comfortable. You would most likely need to dehumidify the air for both comfort and condensation control.

Floor coverings are also an issue for both radiant heating and cooling. They insulate the floor surface and reduce the effectiveness of both radiant heating and cooling. They require higher water and slab temperatures for heating and colder for cooling. Generally slab temperatures are limited to 85°F for heating as hotter floors are uncomfortable and cause problems with some floor coverings – especially wood. For cooling, experts suggest that the floor temperature should not go below 66°F, assuming people are wearing shoes or socks. Conductive floors such as tile should be warmer, especially where people will be barefoot as in bathrooms.

For these reasons, radiant slab cooling is not widely used and is probably not appropriate for humid climates. Where it is done, chilled water is circulated through the slab. The effectiveness of an earth-cooled slab is very difficult to calculate and would depend on a number of variables such as earth temperatures, soil conductivity (a function largely of its water content), and how much heat the soil has absorbed from the radiant slab in the heating season. My guess is that it would not be very effective.

In theory at least, the thermal mass of the soil above more roof may be more useful for cooling than a radiant floor. The cooled air will circulate more effectively into the room and the better air circulation and lack of coverings, such as carpeting, will increase the efficiency of the mass and reduce the likelihood of condensation and mold problems.

Since you are in a humid climate with about 3,000 heating degree days and 2,000 cooling degree days, I suspect that you would be better off building a tight, well-insulated house and insulating the slab. That would ensure low heating costs in winter, and reduce cooling and dehumidification costs in summer. In summer, air leakage into the house will increase both the sensible (air temperature) and latent (humidity) cooling loads.

For a tutorial on using thermal mass and radiant heat together see these two updated Solar Age articles: THERMAL MASS in BUILDINGS - Remember Thermal Mass?

The tools for understanding thermal mass may lie in the beer cooler, King Tut's tomb, and the refrigerator, and see RADIANT HEAT - usage guide, Radiant Heat: how it works and when to use it - for a description of strategies for using radiant heat

Compare Construction Costs vs. Energy Costs to Heat & Cool over Building Life

You'll want to estimate cooling and heating costs including anticipated energy cost rises in the future as well as energy cost comparisons between electric and fossil fuels, depending on how you are going to heat vs cool the home.
One could certainly compare two designs:

A: Summer cooling making use of the heat-absorbing properties of an uninsulated floor slab in good thermal contact with the cooler earth below, paying higher heating costs during the heating season due to heat losses through the floor.

B. Summer cooling making use of the heat-absorbing properties of a the thermal mass of an insulated floor slab, still insulating the slab from the earth below, making use of the same slab as a heat sink and reservoir during the heating season. This approach may save on energy costs but will have a higher build cost.

However, since you will probably need some mechanical cooling and dehumidification in either scenario, the advantages of an uninsulated slab will be modest and probably not worth the heating penalty.  Since calculating the effects of thermal mass and earth sheltering is so complex, however, you will have to rely on guesstimates and  perhaps the experience of others who have built earth-sheltered homes in your area.

In sum, my OPINION is that you are considering a design that has appeal for simplicity and lower installation cost. But given the uncertain efficiency of the thermal mass for cooling and the potential problems with condensation, I’d recommend building a tight, well-insulated home and insulating the slab as well to predictably reduce your long-term heating and cooling loads.

Thermal Mass and Building Energy Costs: reduced cooling loads in some climates

High-mass houses have been studied extensively by the log home industry and concrete industry through sophisticated computer modeling and field testing. They were intent on proving that the “mass effect” of high-mass buildings helped save energy independent of the R-value of the components. Their goal was to prove that log homes or, in the case of the concrete industry, concrete homes were inherently energy-efficient. Their efforts were somewhat successful in that ASHRAE, the organization that sets standards for the thermal performance of buildings now recognizes that thermal mass plays a modest role in a building’s performance (see ASHRAE  Standard 90.1).

The benefit is mainly to reduce cooling loads in climates with hot days and cold nights. It does this by damping the temperature swing inside the space. Think adobe buildings in the high, arid Southwest where it may be 90°F during the day and 40°F at night. The high mass walls will keep the indoor temperature closer to the average of these two temperatures and thus more comfortable – reducing or eliminating the need for mechanical cooling, especially in arid areas where dehumidification is not needed.

When the outdoor temperatures are above the human comfort level, both day and night, such as in Florida in summer, thermal mass has much less value. It will cause a lag in the indoor peak temperature, relative to outdoors, but that may and may not be beneficial.

Thermal mass has less benefit for heating, and probably no benefit in cold climates when the winter temperature stays below the comfort level all day and night -- as in the northern U.S. in winter. One effect of a high-mass home, is that it is difficult to quickly heat up the house – which is why setback thermostats are not recommended in homes with radiant slabs. It’s also why direct-gain passive solar homes perform poorly in cold, cloudy weather. If the thermal mass is allowed to cool off during these periods, it takes a long time to heat up the building and the mass provides radiant cooling – when you need it the least!

Balanced Temperature Swings & Thermal Mass Benefits

One can observe that at locations where average day and night temperatures swing just about the same around a comfortable indoor temperature range, thermal mass alone can provide significant comfort in buildings and much less outside energy may be needed to heat or cool the home.

At PASSIVE SOLAR HEAT PERFORMANCE and at PASSIVE SOLAR HOME, LOW COST we illustrate homes located at an elevation of about 6300 ft. in central Mexico. Although it's not quite in perfect balance, a home in San Miguel de Allende (described at x) has been considered by its occupants (DF & family) to be comfortable enough as to not require central heating nor air conditioning.

The structure, built of plastered adobe and concrete, has a high thermal mass. Passive solar gain warms the structure during the day, providing heat that is returned in cooler evenings; during warmer parts of the day the still-cool mass of the structure helps keep indoor temperatures comfortable.

At Technical Reviewers & REFERENCES we include references to other sources on this topic. Reference [2] seems to contain an error, in the section:  “Nearly all areas with significant cooling loads can benefit from thermal mass in exterior walls. The sunny Southwest, particularly high-elevation areas of Arizona, New Mexico and Colorado, benefit the most from the mass effect for heating.”  I think they meant to say “cooling.”  Reference [3], a blog posting of the same information, gets this right.

What is Mass-Enhanced "R" Value?

In a thoughtful article about mass-enhanced R-value, BuildCentral reports that while thermal mass can outperform low-mass building walls (or in your case floors) of the same R-value, deciding if a particular building will benefit from this design requires some careful thought. Quoting:

The mass effect is real. High-mass walls really can significantly outperform low-mass walls of comparable steady-state R-value--i.e., they can achieve a higher "mass-enhanced R-value." BUT (and this is an important "but"), this mass-enhanced R-value is only significant when the outdoor temperatures cycle above and below indoor temperatures within a 24-hour period. Thus, high-mass walls are most beneficial in moderate climates that have high diurnal (daily) temperature swings around the desired indoor setpoint. [4]

Thermal Mass & Passive Solar Energy Systems for Heating, Cooling, or Both

We discuss thermal mass in building floors in passive solar designs at SLAB INSULATION, PASSIVE SOLAR and at  BLOCKBED RADIANT FLOORS - SOLAR DESIGN.

And at FLOOR, CONCRETE SLAB CHOICES we illustrate a floor slab (with incomplete under-slab insulation) that provides thermal mass helping to stabilize temperatures in a cabin in northern Minnesota.

Incidentally, experts no longer recommend solar rock bins as thermal mass or for thermal storage. These were largely discredited by Solar Age and others as ineffective, expensive, and prone to all manner of problems with mold, poor airflow, etc.

As for modeling thermal mass effects and earth-sheltering, it’s usually done on mainframes using DOE BLAST, so it’s not for the faint hearted or anyone else who does not have a PhD in physics.

Thermal Mass & Active Solar Energy Systems for both Heating & Cooling

Take a look at RADIANT HEAT for a discussion of the nature or radiant heat, how it works, and when/where to use it.

And you may also want to review Active Solar Rock-bed Heat Storage Design Details: Active Solar Energy Systems, and also Active Solar Blockbed Floor Design for examples of using thermal mass to control both heating and cooling cost, and in the case of the second article, including active cooling by routing building air through passages in the thermal-mass of a cool floor.

Steven Bliss adds:

I [Steve Bliss] did a follow-up where-are-they-now study once at Solar Age, looking at well-known solar and alternative houses including a couple of earth-sheltered houses built by Malcolm Wells, one of the widely published proponents of living underground. To make a long story short, I contacted the owners who had recently removed all the earth from their roof due to mysterious pinhole leaks in the rubber roof, which maybe was not designed to have tons on earth overhead.

Living underground is not for everyone – anymore than everyone would want to live in someone’s basement unless they could not afford to live upstairs. In sum, there are much more reliable ways to cut heating and cooling costs.

Thermal mass and its effects on building heating and cooling is a complicated topic  --  and earth coupling is even more complicated due to deep earth temperatures, seasonal storage of heat/coolness from the building itself, the interplay of mass and thermal conductivity, and the complexity of heat movement through three dimensions.

Back in the 1980's there was an outfit at the University of Minnesota called the Underground Space Center (currently the Energy Systems Design Program [6])that advocated earth-sheltered buildings and modeled them using mainframes (probably had the computing power of your cell phone today). They published a number of academic papers and manuals on the subject. Kenneth Labs [5] was the lead author of many of these and we include links to several books on Climactic Design authored or co-authored by Mr. Labs in our REFERENCES section below. But interest waned and you don’t hear much about underground houses today.

The Bottom Line on Thermal Mass Tradeoffs and Building Heating & Cooling Designs - Climactic Design

High mass walls are good in sunny, high-arid climates, as we pointed out above.

Thermal mass is needed in direct-gain passive-solar homes with large amounts of south-facing glass. (Doug Balcomb was a physicist at Los Alamos who did a lot of the seminal work on passive solar design – working across the hall from people developing better nuclear bombs.)

Of course these heavily glazed homes perform very poorly in the cloudy northeast where the sun shines about half as much as they do in Los Alamos, a point lost on many of the early builders of passive solar homes. This resulted in a large number of  “solar freezers and cookers” being built in the Northeast in the ‘70s and ‘80s.

Mass only made these buildings worse as you couldn’t heat easily or quickly them once the mass cooled off during cold, cloudy weather.

If you keep the south-facing glass to less than about 7 percent of the floor area, you generally don’t need to add thermal mass beyond the normal mass that the building provides. That, combined with a tight shell and good insulation, (and the wonders of modern low-E windows)  is the ticket for most folks today – sometimes referred to as “sun tempered.” It’s a simple formula that simply works.

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